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re: Murderers in the US now stand a 50% chance of getting away with it
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:27 pm to Earnest_P
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:27 pm to Earnest_P
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It’s a bridge too far because it’s frankly preposterous to expect them to prevent crime, unless you want a draconian police state.
You’re looking at the wrong end of the long line of failings that lead to criminal behavior.
A sizable portion of the US lives in a draconian police state today. Entire communities of people who work every day and never break any serious laws are more comfortable with a multi-convicted felon living next door than seeing a cop car behind them. For good reason...the felon is known to them and they also know what happens when cops get involved all too often in the US, and it ain't just the George Floyd cases, it is the numerous time they and the people they know find their rights eliminated and wind up in jail, paying fines and losing their jobs etc. It happens multiple times a day in the US.
Preventing crime is simple....be present. Watch the reaction of folks committing a felony (86 in a 55 is a felony in most states) on an interstate highway when they spot a state trooper with a radar gun....all of sudden that felon becomes a minor misdemeanor or, most likely, a law abiding citizen. There are technologies being used in public places everywhere today that prevent crimes....cameras are FAR more effective than the police because a camera and got an ego and ain't going to abuse someone who bruises their ego and cause millions of dollars of property damage and months of social unrest.
There are also far more effective ways of preventing crimes than any of these. Force employers to either pay a living wage OR pay taxes that are handed directly to their employees. Make education more efficient in the US so kids can compete. Eliminate hand outs to poor people and require their employee to foot the entire bill for the cost of their employees production. Poverty is a huge factor in crime and poor people are most often the victim and the perpetrator. Throwing them in jail ain't the answer because we have been doing it forever and their numbers are growing like weeds and most Americans are afraid to sit in their living room with the front door unlocked. What we have done and are still doing ain't working. It also did not work when the police were all powerful and simply shot or hung folks accused of a crime. The answer is to prevent crime in the first place...it is a simple thing to do it just ain't sexy and can't nobody make a fortune in it...
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Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:41 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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I find it difficult to believe you're this naive.
It is naive to think that police in the US would make crime seem less of a problem when they are being graded on crime rates and they are the only entity capable of determining what is and what isn't a crime or that, when their funding is being questioned, would not proceed to actually start reporting something close to the real number and convincing the public that they need more funding now more than ever? Naivety is assuming they would do neither because they have been caught redhanded in the past doing both.
The police notoriously close multiple cases when they get a conviction on another case which may or may not have a thing in the world to do with the conviction they did get. They also notoriously do not report crimes and interactions with victims unless the victim insists because it takes them off the street and requires work that they do not like.
I get it that people want to trust and believe in the way police do their job in the US but the numbers simply do not support blind trust in them. In fact the numbers suggest just the opposite. The prison population in the US is the 6th highest in the world and 4.5% of the world's population makes up north of 21% of the people currently incarcerated in the WORLD. The US is #56 in crime out of 136 countries in the world and none of those 1-55 have any near as many people incarcerated as we do in the US. The truly troubling aspect is that a huge majority of Americans think they live in a dangerous place and are so afraid of being a victim of crime we own more guns than any nation on earth per person. We have more guns, lock up people in higher numbers, sentence them to longer sentences and the population lives in abject fear to the point that they will not sit in their own home without 2 locks on the door and doorbell camera. They system is FAILED but blind naivety in the system perpetuates the failed system....and makes some folks incredibly wealthy and powerful in the process.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:43 pm to AwgustaDawg
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Throwing them in jail ain't the answer because we have been doing it forever and their numbers are growing like weeds and most Americans are afraid to sit in their living room with the front door unlocked.
We are way, way, way, way too lenient on criminals in this country. They should be spending 16 hours a day turning big rocks into little rocks until their backs give out. They shouldn't be spending all day every day of their laughably short sentences in an air conditioned cell with TV privileges and easy access to talk to other inmates where they learn how to become better criminals.
Throwing them in prison isn't the problem. Keeping them there is. Prison is too comfortable and is clearly not enough of a deterrent.
This post was edited on 2/28/23 at 2:44 pm
Posted on 2/28/23 at 2:51 pm to VADawg
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We are way, way, way, way too lenient on criminals in this country.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:01 pm to AwgustaDawg
Local police have been neutered by left wing politicians, and corrupt DAs refuse to prosecute crime. Quite frankly, crime is going unsolved on purpose. It's awfully hard to perpetrate this horseshite narrative about white people being the most dangerous people in the country when violent crime stats clearly show otherwise. There are a lot of politicians out there who have no interest in investigating and/or prosecuting crimes committed by black men because they do not want to shine a light on the true violent crime numbers.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:21 pm to Ping Pong
quote:being tough on crime is racists.
no one seems to want to crack down on the violent gangs responsible for most murders in America.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:36 pm to frequent flyer
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I mean, I can't tell you my method but I could totally get away with it. The ones that get caught are just idiots.
Interesting. We have a killer on TD.
Probably just someone like myself who watches a lot of forensics shows on TV. I love those shows, they're interesting, but they have probably made it more difficult to catch some killers. They're like a course on how to not leave useful evidence or incriminate yourself.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 3:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:I’m splitting some government hairs here, but that is the justice system, not the police. I absolutely agree with you though. Serious penalties and incarcerations would lead to a reduction in crime. Mandatory sentencing and the war on drugs proved that. But like you said, maybe our society doesn’t have the stomach for it.
Mass incarceration and lifetime in prison for repeat violent offenders and all murderers.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:38 pm to member12
If you kill someone you don't know in an area that you don't live in and you don't take your phone they are not going to catch you.
Most people that get caught killed someone they knew and it is a red handed situation. If any investigation needs to happen (not an open shut case) I would be shocked if they had a 10% solve rate.
Most people that get caught killed someone they knew and it is a red handed situation. If any investigation needs to happen (not an open shut case) I would be shocked if they had a 10% solve rate.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:51 pm to armsdealer
Yep. Pick off some randos with a rifle from distance and you need to be a frick up to get caught.
Posted on 2/28/23 at 4:58 pm to member12
You mean to tell me all that constant surveillance isn't helping?!? Maybe they'll roll all that back...
Posted on 2/28/23 at 7:24 pm to GeauxTigerTM
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You mean to tell me all that constant surveillance isn't helping?!? Maybe they'll roll all that back...
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Too many hoodies and masks.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:18 am to VADawg
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Local police have been neutered by left wing politicians, and corrupt DAs refuse to prosecute crime.
Thank the christ for this....if only it were true. The goal should not be to prosecute it should be to prevent crime. Prosecutiion means someone was a victim. Bad juju that. Of course none of what you posted is accurate...the police and das do not care...the more crime, the more secure their position.
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:22 am to VADawg
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We are way, way, way, way too lenient on criminals in this country. They should be spending 16 hours a day turning big rocks into little rocks until their backs give out. They shouldn't be spending all day every day of their laughably short sentences in an air conditioned cell with TV privileges and easy access to talk to other inmates where they learn how to become better criminals.
Throwing them in prison isn't the problem. Keeping them there is. Prison is too comfortable and is clearly not enough of a deterrent.
Longest sentences in the industrialized world and a far higher incarceration rate than any industrialized nation. It ain't the cakewalk it is purported to be but that is beside the point. Incarceration should always require a crime being committed and a crime means someone was victimized. Hows does the criminal break big ones into little ones make the victim whole again? Incareration should be the last hope....preventing the crime in the first place should be the priority and it is easy to do but there ain't a lot or money in it....
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:27 am to BuckyCheese
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Yep. Pick off some randos with a rifle from distance and you need to be a frick up to get caught.
Do it when it is raining enough to frick up any cameras but not your sight.
or just do your close-in work on foggy nights
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:49 am to member12
Biggest issues I see:
Police are limited in resources to solve certain crimes especially when communities band together to not snitch on one another.
Woke DA and Asst. DA’s not prosecuting cases because of different factors including using the color of one’s ethnicity.
The jury system in this country has gotten to be too polarized where prosecutors are having a harder time trying to prove their case, leading to hung juries where it takes only 1 juror to restart a case, adding to the length of time to prosecute a case. Or a prosecutor to drop the case entirely.
The Supreme Court should have kept the constitutionality of nonunanimous jury verdicts instead of striking them down and allowing states to decide this. Jurors also need to be allowed better protections during and after trials. Jurors should not be allowed to speak after a case or seek out media fame after service. Some look at jury service as a chance of stardom, see the cünt who was on Georgia’s special grand jury on Trump.
Police are limited in resources to solve certain crimes especially when communities band together to not snitch on one another.
Woke DA and Asst. DA’s not prosecuting cases because of different factors including using the color of one’s ethnicity.
The jury system in this country has gotten to be too polarized where prosecutors are having a harder time trying to prove their case, leading to hung juries where it takes only 1 juror to restart a case, adding to the length of time to prosecute a case. Or a prosecutor to drop the case entirely.
The Supreme Court should have kept the constitutionality of nonunanimous jury verdicts instead of striking them down and allowing states to decide this. Jurors also need to be allowed better protections during and after trials. Jurors should not be allowed to speak after a case or seek out media fame after service. Some look at jury service as a chance of stardom, see the cünt who was on Georgia’s special grand jury on Trump.
This post was edited on 3/1/23 at 8:14 am
Posted on 3/1/23 at 6:50 am to member12
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Murderers in the US now stand a 50% chance of getting away with it
But, we have gotten rid of racism so thats a win
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