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re: Mortgage appraiser errors and omissions

Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:12 am to
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52459 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:12 am to
Up to now you literally didn’t explain anything other than throwing insults. So no, you didn’t need to explain it some other way. You just had to explain it other than just saying “because.”

And all I did further was ask questions. Not sure how that is digging a hole. Didn’t say you were wrong, just expressed my confusion.

But no problem, if only you had waited a bit you could have saved yourself the trouble. You see, Golfer cleared it up on his first post to me.

Curious to see that my general posting got under your skin to trigger you so in this thread.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 12:14 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175901 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:16 am to
I explained everything perfectly and I didn't insult you at all. You came into a topic you know nothing about and were throwing around accusations on said topic to someone asking for educated advice. I simply called you out on that.

Golfer reiterated what I previously said. Maybe he simplified it for you to a 3rd grade level or something but it was exactly what I was explaining to you. Your lack of understanding what I was saying goes hand in hand with your lack of knowledge on the subject you were giving advice on.

I'm not a doctor so you will never see me giving medical advice in a thread here. Just saying...
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52459 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:24 am to
quote:

I explained everything perfectly


Burying your explaination inside of irrelevant stuff (ability to do potential value appraisal vs language within them) isn’t perfect.

quote:

and I didn't insult you at all.


Yeah, you weren’t derogatory in tone at all. Completely impersonal. Yep.

quote:

I simply called you out on that.


If you note, I commented on his OT message, not the Money board version. Which typically is less...serious of a board? If he ran and followed ANYONE’s advice here blindly he deserves what he gets. Don’t really see you made a crusade in other posts here.

quote:


I'm not a doctor so you will never see me giving medical advice in a thread here. Just saying


Yep

Definitely triggered.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 12:28 am
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175901 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:26 am to
quote:

Burying your explaination inside of irrelevant stuff (ability to do potential value appraisal vs language within them) isn’t perfect.


So it was the 3rd grade level explanation that suited you but that doesn't mean OP didn't want a better understanding of why since he is the one that started the thread.

Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
52459 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 12:32 am to
Except...you didn’t address neither him or his question with that extra information. It didn’t have anything to do with the ability to get an appraisal prior to the loan. He would know this as...well....it was either at or past this point.

He was struck by the language of the certification the same as I was.

So......you bury your “perfect explaination” in information that he already knew, and that somehow elevated it above “3rd grade level.”


Now who is digging a hole?







/hijack
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 12:40 am
Posted by ATLTigerbb
Atlanta GA
Member since Jul 2009
182 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 4:55 am to
If you look on the appraisal there should be a box checked “subject to” and not “as is”. If the subject to box is checked the appraiser is assuming appliances and all other mechanicals will be there when they do the final inspection.

If it’s just Land right now the appraisal should be subject to and is perfectly normal for them to state appliances and all are in working matter as they are assuming they will be there when they do the final inspection when the house is done.

In regards to your room count, depending upon where the bedroom is that room may just be included in the square footage. Here in GA bedrooms in basements are not counted as bedrooms but are included in the square footage. It also depends if the room has a closet and ingress/egress. Basically a window. If the bedroom doesn’t have a closet or window it’s just included in the square footage.

This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 4:58 am
Posted by Cracker
in a box
Member since Nov 2009
18914 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 5:06 am to
thats why they carry a big bond most appraisers won't appraise unless there is a sales contract in place think about that for a min
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 5:59 am to
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The appraisal was done based off plans and scope. Other then the errors, it seems screwed up that he would certify he inspected a property that didn’t exist. However, I don’t know how this all works. Maybe that’s standard language that he forgot to remove? It just all seems lazy and inaccurate. The appraisal cost me 550, and I feel like they or my mortgage company should cover the cost to correct it.


That $550 is an example of "you get what you pay for" but just contact our mortgage company and they should handle getting it corrected. Honestly your mortgage company should have caught it on the front end if the residential loan process is similar to commercial - so if they signed off on it, there may have been a legitimate reason for omitting the bedroom without knowing the scope of the plans (low ceiling height below market standards for example).

The other inspection certification thing is just either a slight typo or how the appraisal process for proposed homes work. The appraisers have to follow a myriad of guidelines from the appraisal governing body and from the lenders. Contact the lender and express your concerns and they may tell you that the appraisal was done correctly for whatever reasons or they will contact the appraiser who should be able to correct it quickly.

The appraisal industry is a real production, churn them out business for people who want to make a good living and mistakes happen in such a fast paced environment. You can always contact the lender about the appraisal, sometimes the appraiser is permitted to discuss it specifically with the client, but a lot of lenders don't like this as they are afraid of someone trying to influence the value call. Most professionals are happy to discuss the appraisal and explain any questions or concerns. That said, always be professional as it is the easiest way to get the lender / appraiser on your side.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 6:19 am
Posted by CelticDog
Member since Apr 2015
42867 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 7:32 am to
He used boilerplate.
Meet with owner manager at once.
100% refund, followed by corrected, free appraisal.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10253 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 7:45 am to
The house is one story and all of the bedrooms count as bedrooms. Our house is based off of the floorplan of a house that was used as a for sale comp right down the street. We took those blueprints and made modifications and added a mud room. He’s got that house listed as 4 bd 2 bath 7 rooms total.

He’s got my house listed as 3 bd 2 bath 6 rooms total. It’s the exact same layout except for the additional mudroom. He also listed that our house has a fireplace, which was nowhere on the plans.
This post was edited on 2/1/18 at 7:47 am
Posted by ConfusedHawgInMO
Member since Apr 2014
3578 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:17 am to
You said yourself it was a pre-appraisal. If you got the construction loan approved then you are worrying about crap that doesn't matter.

If you didn't get the loan because of the pre-appraisal then you should revisit it. Then point out what looks wrong to you and ask for a new valuation.
Posted by Sneaky__Sally
Member since Jul 2015
12364 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:22 am to
Sounds like he messed up then, just contact the lender (they order the appraisals for residential loan considerations correct?). They should be able to handle it for you.
Posted by DCtiger1
Member since Jul 2009
10253 posts
Posted on 2/1/18 at 8:22 am to
Builder financed construction. This pre-appraisal can be used for the mortgage, which is why I want it corrected.
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