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re: Morganza Spillway may or may not open for a 3rd time -- lack of clear info from ACoE
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:34 pm to LSUFanHouston
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:34 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:you are talking about the people who have a camp in a floodway.
People also have placed blind trust in the ACoE before, and have gotten screwed because of it.
When USACE took that lland and made it a flood way, the owners got a handsome payment from the government with the understanding that this area could be flooded every year. OR the people that bought this land paid well below the cost of land outside of the floodway beacuse well it could be flooded.
now fast forward 65 years later. It has only been opened 3 times and the people that own this land forget that USACE can flood it anytime they see fit. No if ands or butts.
ETA: I wish the OP would change the title to USACE not ACoE... because that is not their acronym.
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 4:36 pm
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Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:34 pm to slackster
quote:
To increase public trust would be my argument.
As it sits now, they just look like they were simply wrong. Explaining why you were wrong builds trust.
Eh, unless you can go open the Morganza yourself, it doesn’t really matter if you trust them
ETA: and I’m not a fan of government
This post was edited on 6/6/19 at 4:35 pm
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:36 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
Different fed agency, but this is why people in LA have trouble "trusting" the feds.
LINK
I mean, y'all in BR... do y'all feel this way?
So, no, I don't trust the fedgov at their word without further explanation.
LINK
quote:
Auditors in the Department of Homeland Security inspector general’s office confirmed the concerns with the Federal Emergency Management Agency’s performance in Louisiana - and 11 other states hit over five years by hurricanes, mudslides and other disasters.
Instead, the auditors' boss, John V. Kelly, directed them to produce what they called "feel good reports" that airbrushed most problems and portrayed emergency responders as heroes overcoming vast challenges, according to interviews and a new internal review.
quote:
The watchdog concluded that FEMA's response in Louisiana, where 13 people died in the disaster, was a huge success, a "remarkable," "resilient and mission focused" effort that "provided hope and a way forward" for flooded communities.
I mean, y'all in BR... do y'all feel this way?
quote:
They identified challenges FEMA faced. But invariably they praised the agency for overcoming them. Other negative information, if it pointed to systemic problems, was removed from drafts and sometimes placed in separate "spin-off reports," the internal review found. The audits made no recommendations for improvements.
Investigators determined that Kelly didn't just direct his staff to remove negative findings. He potentially compromised their objectivity by praising FEMA's work ethic to the auditors, telling them they would see "FEMA at her best" and instructing supervisors to emphasize what the agency had done right in its disaster response.
The review concluded the office had not met its own standards.
So, no, I don't trust the fedgov at their word without further explanation.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:37 pm to slackster
quote:you are putting so much engery in this when you should be yelling at the weathermen......They are wrong every day.
To increase public trust would be my argument.
As it sits now, they just look like they were simply wrong. Explaining why you were wrong builds trust.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:41 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Why was it predicted to overtop then it wasn’t then it was and now it’s not?
What made them think it would overtop the first and second time and now they don’t think it will?
What was the cause and effect?
Why was there enough water then now there isn’t? Where did the water go?
There doesn't seem like much of change in the height of the projected crest at Red River Landing since the talk of opening Morganza started. The ACOE clearly stated that they feared Morganza would be overtopped according to the projected forecast. Well that height projection at the Red River Landing hasn't changed much just the dates of the crest. Matter of fact, the projection is just slightly higher now than on May 30th.
May 30th forecast
June 6th forecast
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:44 pm to LSUFanHouston
quote:Anybody that would get confidence from Jindal is beyond hope. There is no help for them.
Jindal...
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:44 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:
Let the people know, educate us.
Have you ever worked in public relations? Because there are times when you DO NOT tell the public information because they dont know how to comprehend it. if you were to say "This can hold a 150yr storm" the "public" and media with run with "OMG we are going to die when a 151 yr storm hits us"
Read on how USACE talks about the hurricane protection system in NOLA. They dont refer to is as a protection system. It is a Risk Reduction System. If they called it a protection system and an area floods, they would be sued because protection equates to never will happen.
So the public doesnt understand that a bigger storm could roll through and flood certain areas still.
The public doesnt understand that their local city officials are responsible to maintain certain aspects of this system and if they fail to do so it is the citys fault not USACE's, look at NOLAs SWB.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:46 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:you should go back to school and get a degree in riverine modeling if you want all these answers.
Why was it predicted to overtop then it wasn’t then it was and now it’s not?
What made them think it would overtop the first and second time and now they don’t think it will?
What was the cause and effect?
Why was there enough water then now there isn’t? Where did the water go?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:46 pm to BigBrod81
quote:
Matter of fact, the projection is just slightly higher now than on May 30th.
Which makes it not make any more sense for their decision to keep pushing back or saying they’re not going to open the spillway. Why? That’s what people want to know why did they change their mind and nothing has changed
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:47 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
you should go back to school and get a degree in riverine modeling if you want all these answers.
No thanks. I’ll just continue to pay taxes and hold our government agencies accountable
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:49 pm to BigBrod81
quote:so do you know the forcast that is project in the next 30 days upstream of RR landing..... because while you graphs show that it doesnt show the projected forecast. Ever thought that might have changed so the "amount" of water coming down might not be as much.
There doesn't seem like much of change in the height of the projected crest at Red River Landing since the talk of opening Morganza started. The ACOE clearly stated that they feared Morganza would be overtopped according to the projected forecast. Well that height projection at the Red River Landing hasn't changed much just the dates of the crest. Matter of fact, the projection is just slightly higher now than on May 30th.
May 30th forecast
Im not an expert in riverine modeling but i do know there are way more variables in the models than what you are thinking.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:50 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
CarRamrod
Aren’t you a mall cop
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:51 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:i dont see you doing anything that would deal with holding our government accountable. I just see you asking questions on a free online message board.
No thanks. I’ll just continue to pay taxes and hold our government agencies accountable
you keep saying people want to know. To me it sounds like just you want to know.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:52 pm to Duke
quote:
So, an explaination lets people know they understand the modeling they're using and not just deciding bc model. Since if it was wrong before, why isn't it wrong now?
The river models change constantly. Surely a weather person such as yourself can understand that.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:52 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:how many times have we been through this? are you slow? because we had this same conversation a few days ago......in this thread.
Aren’t you a mall cop
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:52 pm to CarRamrod
You don’t know what the frick I’m doing.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:53 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:you sure seem to know what i do? So how can i not know what you do?
You don’t know what the frick I’m doing.
Do you see how you are being a hypocrite here?
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:53 pm to tgrbaitn08
Y'all need to just kiss and frick already.
Posted on 6/6/19 at 4:55 pm to CarRamrod
quote:
how many times have we been through this? are you slow? because we had this same conversation a few days ago......in this thread.
You never told me what mall
Posted on 6/6/19 at 5:02 pm to tgrbaitn08
so you want to deflect. thats fine. Im just trying to make you understand that you look like an idiot ranting on here. you know similar to those bawette's on FB whining about how they were almost kidnapped at walmart.
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