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Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:04 am to GetCocky11
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I hate to break it to you, but Oswald acted alone. Ruby acted alone also.
Both Ruby and Oswald had strong ties to Marcello, as well as to each other.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:20 am to LSU Wayne
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So, as for the JFK theories, I have no idea whether I believe the man had the capabilities of pulling something like that off. But there definitely is a lot of smoke there. In fact, Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert DeNiro are said to be in talks to make a film out of the book Legacy of Secrecy detailing Carlos Marcello including his potential involvement in a JFK plot.
Marcello and Trafficante pulled it off together. Both of them had the power, the connections, and the motive to do it. I believe these two bosses were two of the most powerful figures in LCN ever in history. I think the only ones who truly rivaled either on of them were Accardo and Gambino. Luciano was powerful, but was relegated to inconsequential after he was deported to Sicily.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:22 am to LSU Wayne
I think you got the G rated version of the story. If your Grandad was Italian and owned a bar in the Quarter he knew Carlos and paid monthly for the protection he got.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:24 am to Jim Smith
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to the depository?? That is an extremely difficult shot. Either Oswald was an excellen
Yes, I went several years ago. It's a fantastic museum. You can see a mock up of the snipers nest Oswald made and basically hear and see the history of the whole assassination and aftermath. Fascinating stuff. I heard they were going to remove the "x" marks in the street where the motorcade was attacked, but I think they are still there.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:26 am to Jim Smith
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Any of you ever been to the depository?? That is an extremely difficult shot. Either Oswald was an excellent marksman or got lucky multiple times.
I've been there and I disagree.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:28 am to uptownsage
I don't think that the rifle used by Oswald,a mannlicher carcano, had the velocity or ammo needed for a head to explode on impact.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:29 am to LSU Wayne
quote:Would watch.
In fact, Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert DeNiro are said to be in talks to make a film out of the book Legacy of Secrecy detailing Carlos Marcello including his potential involvement in a JFK plot.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:31 am to Kcrad
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"Gerald Leo Posner (born May 20, 1954) is an American investigative journalist and author of twelve books, including Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK (1993), which explores the John F. Kennedy assassination" Wiki.
He glosses right over major issues that he can't explain and beats to death subjects that he knows he can rhetorically "win" on. I don't blame him, that's a sound strategy for being convincing, but to me it's far from "proving" LHO acted alone.
For instance, Posner doesn't offer much in the way of anything to explain how in the world Oswald, an 8th grade dropout, was able to:
1) Show up in Russia, speaking Russian without having received any language training during his short stint in the Marines.
2) Make a show of:
2a - attempting to reject his US citizenship
2b - telling the US consulate that he was going to give the Soviets US radar secrets in return for Soviet citizenship
3) Work in a Soviet radio factory, marry a Russian woman and then,
4) The coup de grâce: request and be awarded State Department funds to finance his return trip to the United States, upon return from which he was not arrested
UNLESS he was a US intelligence asset.
There's no other way to explain how
A) He learned Russian
B) He was able to go on the lam from the Marines, offer up US secrets and attempt to cash in his US citizenship but still be given money by the US government years later to return to America or return without going to jail
The guy was a spook of some sort, which to me indicates a conspiracy on some level.
Now, I think he was the primary, and possibly the lone shooter. But I think he was put up to it, and I think he expected to be flown out of there.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:34 am to Jim Smith
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Any of you ever been to the depository?? That is an extremely difficult shot. Either Oswald was an excellent marksman or got lucky multiple times.
I had the exact opposite impression. My words on seeing it in person were "wow, what an easy shot, JFK was a sitting duck". It was a great snipers nest. Everyone I was with agreed. The spacing involved is all much, much closer in real life than it looks in documentaries or the Z film.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:53 am to LSU Wayne
Carlos and Bobby had an altercation at the New Orleans immigration office. The next day Bobby orchestrated the kidnapping of Carlos and dropped his naked arse in the jungle of Guatemala.
Carlos made it back to New Orleans and told his soldiers the only way to kill a snake is by cutting the head off. JFK died.
Carlos made it back to New Orleans and told his soldiers the only way to kill a snake is by cutting the head off. JFK died.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:18 am to UncleBuckDabs
Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? That's the part that always gets me.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:19 am to uptownsage
The most powerful bosses were always in NYC or Chicago. The rest answered to their call at the end of the day.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:21 am to LSU Wayne
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This was supposedly the only conversation they ever had.
The time never came that your grandfather had to repay his debt, but it's still out there. One of these days you will get a call to help bury a body or transport a load of H.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:28 am to Jim Smith
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Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? That's the part that always gets me.
He was either obsessed with Jackie and acted impulsively out of vengeance on her behalf at the spur of the moment, or he owed the mob and killed Oswald to silence Oswald and pay off his own (Ruby's) debts, in whatever form they may have existed, to the mob. Ruby had terminal cancer. Take that into consideration.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 9:30 am
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:33 am to Cooter Davenport
great thread..really interesting stuff 
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:34 am to Cooter Davenport
I am a JFK conspiracist, but the thing about Ruby is it took a series of coincidences no one could have planned for him to be there when Oswald was walking through the basement parking garage. Otherwise he would have missed him by several minutes.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:12 am to Cooter Davenport
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I had the exact opposite impression. My words on seeing it in person were "wow, what an easy shot, JFK was a sitting duck". It was a great snipers nest. Everyone I was with agreed. The spacing involved is all much, much closer in real life than it looks in documentaries or the Z film.
This was exactly my impression. When I was on the 6th floor looking out of the window I was like, "Man, we're right on top of the street." The X's on the road that show where the shots were made are very close to the building when you see them in person. As previously said, I always thought from the Zapruder film that it was a much farther shot.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:16 am to Choupique19
The trees were much, much smaller in 1963, too. It was a clear shot. That said, I don't think he acted alone. He didn't say "I didn't do it," he said, "I'm a patsy." He was part of it, but only a part.
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:21 am to Jim Rockford
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I am a JFK conspiracist, but the thing about Ruby is it took a series of coincidences no one could have planned for him to be there when Oswald was walking through the basement parking garage. Otherwise he would have missed him by several minutes.
I agree with you on this. I think he went and got money, paid some girl or called some girl of his, did some other errand, and then walked into the garage and they were either early or late bringing Oswald out, so as it turns out he just happened on perfect timing. Rubenstein was a WEIRD guy. It's not totally unlikely that his infatuation/enshrining of Jackie was ultimately taken to the level he took it to.
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