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re: Monthly JFK thread - Carlos Marcello

Posted on 6/2/16 at 7:59 am to
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
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Posted on 6/2/16 at 7:59 am to
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Another mass lynching of Italians. This story is relatively unknown, but has many


There was one up around Tallulah as well. LINK
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7225 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:04 am to
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I hate to break it to you, but Oswald acted alone. Ruby acted alone also.


Both Ruby and Oswald had strong ties to Marcello, as well as to each other.
Posted by uptownsage
New Orleans
Member since Oct 2014
2156 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:20 am to
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So, as for the JFK theories, I have no idea whether I believe the man had the capabilities of pulling something like that off. But there definitely is a lot of smoke there. In fact, Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert DeNiro are said to be in talks to make a film out of the book Legacy of Secrecy detailing Carlos Marcello including his potential involvement in a JFK plot.


Marcello and Trafficante pulled it off together. Both of them had the power, the connections, and the motive to do it. I believe these two bosses were two of the most powerful figures in LCN ever in history. I think the only ones who truly rivaled either on of them were Accardo and Gambino. Luciano was powerful, but was relegated to inconsequential after he was deported to Sicily.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
27950 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:22 am to
I think you got the G rated version of the story. If your Grandad was Italian and owned a bar in the Quarter he knew Carlos and paid monthly for the protection he got.

Posted by tonydtigr
Beautiful Downtown Glenn Springs,Tx
Member since Nov 2011
6317 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:24 am to
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to the depository?? That is an extremely difficult shot. Either Oswald was an excellen


Yes, I went several years ago. It's a fantastic museum. You can see a mock up of the snipers nest Oswald made and basically hear and see the history of the whole assassination and aftermath. Fascinating stuff. I heard they were going to remove the "x" marks in the street where the motorcade was attacked, but I think they are still there.
Posted by N2cars
Close by
Member since Feb 2008
37867 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:26 am to
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Any of you ever been to the depository?? That is an extremely difficult shot. Either Oswald was an excellent marksman or got lucky multiple times.


I've been there and I disagree.
Posted by 20legend
baton rouge
Member since Jan 2007
1379 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:28 am to
I don't think that the rifle used by Oswald,a mannlicher carcano, had the velocity or ammo needed for a head to explode on impact.
Posted by The Sad Banana
The gate is narrow.
Member since Jul 2008
89507 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:29 am to
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In fact, Leonardo DiCaprio and Robert DeNiro are said to be in talks to make a film out of the book Legacy of Secrecy detailing Carlos Marcello including his potential involvement in a JFK plot.
Would watch.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:31 am to
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"Gerald Leo Posner (born May 20, 1954) is an American investigative journalist and author of twelve books, including Case Closed: Lee Harvey Oswald and the Assassination of JFK (1993), which explores the John F. Kennedy assassination" Wiki.


He glosses right over major issues that he can't explain and beats to death subjects that he knows he can rhetorically "win" on. I don't blame him, that's a sound strategy for being convincing, but to me it's far from "proving" LHO acted alone.

For instance, Posner doesn't offer much in the way of anything to explain how in the world Oswald, an 8th grade dropout, was able to:
1) Show up in Russia, speaking Russian without having received any language training during his short stint in the Marines.
2) Make a show of:
2a - attempting to reject his US citizenship
2b - telling the US consulate that he was going to give the Soviets US radar secrets in return for Soviet citizenship
3) Work in a Soviet radio factory, marry a Russian woman and then,
4) The coup de grâce: request and be awarded State Department funds to finance his return trip to the United States, upon return from which he was not arrested

UNLESS he was a US intelligence asset.

There's no other way to explain how
A) He learned Russian
B) He was able to go on the lam from the Marines, offer up US secrets and attempt to cash in his US citizenship but still be given money by the US government years later to return to America or return without going to jail

The guy was a spook of some sort, which to me indicates a conspiracy on some level.

Now, I think he was the primary, and possibly the lone shooter. But I think he was put up to it, and I think he expected to be flown out of there.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:34 am to
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Any of you ever been to the depository?? That is an extremely difficult shot. Either Oswald was an excellent marksman or got lucky multiple times.


I had the exact opposite impression. My words on seeing it in person were "wow, what an easy shot, JFK was a sitting duck". It was a great snipers nest. Everyone I was with agreed. The spacing involved is all much, much closer in real life than it looks in documentaries or the Z film.
Posted by UncleBuckDabs
Member since Jan 2014
287 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 8:53 am to
Carlos and Bobby had an altercation at the New Orleans immigration office. The next day Bobby orchestrated the kidnapping of Carlos and dropped his naked arse in the jungle of Guatemala.
Carlos made it back to New Orleans and told his soldiers the only way to kill a snake is by cutting the head off. JFK died.
Posted by Jim Smith
Member since May 2016
2915 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:18 am to
Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? That's the part that always gets me.
Posted by NIH
Member since Aug 2008
119327 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:19 am to
The most powerful bosses were always in NYC or Chicago. The rest answered to their call at the end of the day.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104097 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:21 am to
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This was supposedly the only conversation they ever had.


The time never came that your grandfather had to repay his debt, but it's still out there. One of these days you will get a call to help bury a body or transport a load of H.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:28 am to
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Why did Jack Ruby kill Oswald? That's the part that always gets me.


He was either obsessed with Jackie and acted impulsively out of vengeance on her behalf at the spur of the moment, or he owed the mob and killed Oswald to silence Oswald and pay off his own (Ruby's) debts, in whatever form they may have existed, to the mob. Ruby had terminal cancer. Take that into consideration.
This post was edited on 6/2/16 at 9:30 am
Posted by longhorn22
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Member since Jan 2007
42881 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:33 am to
great thread..really interesting stuff
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104097 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 9:34 am to
I am a JFK conspiracist, but the thing about Ruby is it took a series of coincidences no one could have planned for him to be there when Oswald was walking through the basement parking garage. Otherwise he would have missed him by several minutes.
Posted by Choupique19
The cheap seats
Member since Sep 2005
64459 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:12 am to
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I had the exact opposite impression. My words on seeing it in person were "wow, what an easy shot, JFK was a sitting duck". It was a great snipers nest. Everyone I was with agreed. The spacing involved is all much, much closer in real life than it looks in documentaries or the Z film.


This was exactly my impression. When I was on the 6th floor looking out of the window I was like, "Man, we're right on top of the street." The X's on the road that show where the shots were made are very close to the building when you see them in person. As previously said, I always thought from the Zapruder film that it was a much farther shot.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
104097 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:16 am to
The trees were much, much smaller in 1963, too. It was a clear shot. That said, I don't think he acted alone. He didn't say "I didn't do it," he said, "I'm a patsy." He was part of it, but only a part.
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 6/2/16 at 10:21 am to
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I am a JFK conspiracist, but the thing about Ruby is it took a series of coincidences no one could have planned for him to be there when Oswald was walking through the basement parking garage. Otherwise he would have missed him by several minutes.


I agree with you on this. I think he went and got money, paid some girl or called some girl of his, did some other errand, and then walked into the garage and they were either early or late bringing Oswald out, so as it turns out he just happened on perfect timing. Rubenstein was a WEIRD guy. It's not totally unlikely that his infatuation/enshrining of Jackie was ultimately taken to the level he took it to.
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