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re: Millennials earn 20% less than Boomers did at same stage of life

Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:04 pm to
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:04 pm to
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Sweet. My wife and I do better than our parents too, but it is the exception rather than the rule on average.


I mean it all comes down to effort. You get out what you put into it. That's how I've always conducted myself and it seems to be a recipe for success (well, part of it).

I've always found that if you know how to present yourself you've done a lot of the groundwork. Or maybe I'm just old fashioned that way.
Posted by VABuckeye
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:06 pm to
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After moving through a series of jobs


From the article. That's a red flag to me. Maybe, just maybe, she sucks as an employee. It does happen a lot.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:07 pm to
Nobody is denying any of that

That fact remains millennials were dealt a worse hand than their parents
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:09 pm to
Hasn't it or doesn't it seem like that for every generation? I mean, my parents and grandparents were practically handed houses if they did military service.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:10 pm to
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From the article. That's a red flag to me. Maybe, just maybe, she sucks as an employee. It does happen a lot.


The other side of that coin is that companies are far less loyal than they used to be. Most millennials expect to switch careers multiple times based upon the job market.

Hell, I've switched once myself, I guess. Military to private sector.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:12 pm to
It's an expected path that you took.

It would be nice to know her job history. Maybe it makes sense, maybe it doesn't but at this point it certainly doesn't show progression.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:14 pm to
I would say boomers had it much better than their parents.
Posted by slackster
Houston
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:15 pm to
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I've always found that if you know how to present yourself you've done a lot of the groundwork. Or maybe I'm just old fashioned that way


That is still a solid approach, but many of you are missing the point of the article. This is about a generation as a whole. It isn't isolated to upper middle class families or hard workers only. Lazy fricks in the 1970s and 80s had more opportunities than lazy POSs today. The generation as a whole had a more promising career path.

In the 1980s people were dreaming about machines replacing humans en masse, but outside of manufacturing, it wasn't viable. That is quite obviously not the case anymore. You can't just dismiss people being replaced, but I guess it's much easier just to say millenials are lazy than it is to look into the real problems they face as a group.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:19 pm to
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It's an expected path that you took.


Well, not entirely expected (I was med-boarded)

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It would be nice to know her job history. Maybe it makes sense, maybe it doesn't but at this point it certainly doesn't show progression.


I'm just saying that a millennial switching jobs/careers often is hardly a red flag when it happens so often in today's job market for a plethora of reasons that have little to do with straight up job performance.
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 6:20 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:21 pm to
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I would say boomers had it much better than their parents.


You weren't there so that's a judgement call. They had advantages over us and we had some over them.

It's funny to hear millennials say that their parents told them that they "had to go to college and get a degree". Where do they think that we got that from? It was our parents that told us the exact same thing because they "didn't want us to be like them".

Don't get me wrong. I understand the crushing debt that kids today are getting along with that degree and it's something that doesn't sit well with me.
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:21 pm to
Right. All the hard work in the world isn't going to help you if you don't have opportunities. Also, not to discount hard work and earning your place, but people are loath to recognize their luck and good fortune. There are things that were beyond your control that put you into better or worse positions to succeed. These are the facts of life. But some people refuse to see this.
Posted by Seldom Seen
Member since Feb 2016
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:21 pm to
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I am not a millennial or baby boomer. I am Gen X. I am just sick and tired of all the bitching and moaning from both groups directed at the other.

Both of them suck.




I'm Gen X too. We aren't so great either.


Our whole society sucks right now.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281857 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:23 pm to
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Lazy fricks in the 1970s and 80s had


Yeah except for stagflation, several recessions, high unemployment periods and gas rationing.

For those coming of age in the mid 70s to mid 80s those jobs weren't there.
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:24 pm to
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Our whole society sucks right now.


Truth. We subcontract for a billion dollar plus company that has many divisions. The divisions are so busy competing with each other that they seemingly refuse to work together. Their purpose seems to be to make the other divisions look as bad as possible internally. It's the most messed up thing I've ever seen in business.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:24 pm to
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Oh wait. You want them to work for $12.25/hour doing work that would have paid a boomer the equivalent of $40k/year back in the day


Sitting on your arse doesn't bring a paycheck
This post was edited on 1/13/17 at 6:25 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
NOVA
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:25 pm to
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For those coming of age in the mid 70s to mid 80s those jobs weren't there.


And manufacturing in the US was coming to an end. Steel mills and auto plants were closing right and left where I grew up.
Posted by GeauxxxTigers23
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Member since Apr 2013
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Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:26 pm to
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Show up at those same companies fresh out of high school with a good work ethic today and let me know how it goes.


It'll get you hired and promoted. The biggest complaint that employers have about todays workforce is their "soft skills." Ability to show up on time and work the entire day without playing on your phone or just simply pass a drug test.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
281857 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:26 pm to
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I'm Gen X too. We aren't so great either


True. I'm pretty disappointed with my generation. I was on the edge of the two generations.

I'll blame it on the partying.
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134050 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:29 pm to
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It'll get you hired and promoted.


Promoted, probably.

Hired--that's very much a crapshoot.
Posted by Clark W Griswold
THE USA
Member since Sep 2012
10707 posts
Posted on 1/13/17 at 6:29 pm to
I make triple what my dad did
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