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re: Millennials earn 20% less than Boomers did at same stage of life
Posted on 1/15/17 at 9:57 am to DCtiger1
Posted on 1/15/17 at 9:57 am to DCtiger1
Yes they are. I know several guys in cyber security making between 120-180K and they're all under 30.
I think a basic NOC tech starts around 45K which is entry level for a data center. Data centers churn through those guys like crazy. They get their certs and then they're on to positions like the ones you described. Rinse, repeat. Most guys are only a NOC tech for 1-2 years before moving on/up.
I think a basic NOC tech starts around 45K which is entry level for a data center. Data centers churn through those guys like crazy. They get their certs and then they're on to positions like the ones you described. Rinse, repeat. Most guys are only a NOC tech for 1-2 years before moving on/up.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 10:19 am to IvanCCCP
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Unfortunately the days of the hardest - best workers making it to the top seem to be ending.
No. The hardest working will move forward and upward 99% of the time. If you are producing and you don't move up then you need to look at a competitor...They know who is kicking their butt and will hire you.
Knowing folks helps get your foot in the door but if you don't produce you will be gone. If Fin or LL failed to show their superiors that they were a good hire they WILL be replaced...It is really not much more complex than that.
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Now days the go getter gets the heavier load without the compensation
this may happen in the short run...But if you show you can handle it you will move up.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 10:32 am to VABuckeye
quote:what sort of degree would you need to break into this field?
VABuckeye
I'll be honest, DC is one of the few areas of the country that I wouldn't mind living outside of Nola.
I'm in a spot in my life where I'm able to be flexible with decisions I make and also still just young enough to make a 90 degree turn and head a direction if I see fit.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:10 am to yellowfin
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Become better negotiators
Millennials who are typically just entering the workforce don't have any leverage. You're talking about recent college grads who probably just finished up at an unpaid internship

Tough to negotiate when you literally can't afford to walk away from the table. Thanks boomers.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 11:11 am
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:14 am to SuperSaint
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SuperSaint
quote:I've worked in the following industries:
I'm a terrible a spot in my life where I'm flexible with decisions I make and also still just young enough to make a 90 degree turn and head a direction if I see fit.
Food Service
Retail
Furnishings
Cosmetics and Haircare
Music
Construction
Energy
Horse Breeding
Aviation & Aerospace
Government Contracting
Communications
I've been with 20 different employers, never fired (although laid off once), never burned bridges, always left with a recommendation, always willing to turn my hat around and do something different and always did something that I personally found interesting.
It was a very hard decision to leave my last employer. I was very good at what I was doing and had job security. But I did, and am very glad I did. I was already doing well, but in one year I've doubled my earnings, have a huge amount of responsibility within one of the top technology firms in the world and looking forward to what looks to be a much better year than last year.
My advice to you: don't ever be satisfied with your current position. Don't ever take your antenna down from listening for new opportunities. Don't ever hesitate to move on and try something new. I left a job with a salary of $75k+commissions to take a job with a salary of $28k+commissions because the first job wasn't structured to reward success and the second one was. I earned in excess of $165k a year in the second job over a four year period and would have stayed there except that the company went through a merger and my position and division went away.
Build you a network of friends and acquaintances outside of Louisiana and make sure they know your interest in seeking out new opportunities. Every single position I've had since I was 17 years old has come about from the recommendation of a friend or an acquaintance. Get onto LinkIn. Join industry groups. Write posts. Link to interesting articles. Make yourself visible. Go to industry trade shows. Many are free and you can register on their websites. Walk the floor. Meet people. Get their business cards. Send them emails thanking them and make sure they know of your interest in their company and industry. Network like crazy, even when you're employed.
Finally, treat your tweets, Facebook posts and all other social media posts as if your professional career depended on it, because, guess what? It does. Employers look at that now. So if you're a shite-poster and people can figure out who you are, they won't hire you.
Good luck is great, but hard work is better.

Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:19 am to SuperSaint
A lot of the guys starting out on the NOC don't have degrees. It's more about technical ability. Depending on the data center the roles change. You'd have to have a basic knowledge of networking and cabling for most. Then a lot of it is about networking (with people) and getting the certifications.
Some data centers require a lot more of the NOC guys than others. Cabling, troubleshooting, etc.
Some data centers require a lot more of the NOC guys than others. Cabling, troubleshooting, etc.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:22 am to RobbBobb
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The biggest part of financial security is eliminating needless recurring expenses
You consider a phone, car, car insurance, and health insurance needless recurring expenses? Two of those things are government mandated.
And depending on your profession, Internet at home is a necessity as well. I can agree with cable being unnecessary. But can you show me one successful person who has neither a phone nor an Internet connection? Those are Necessities.
Under your logic you can argue power/gas is not a necessity. Just take cold showers and eat non-perishable foods.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 11:29 am
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:23 am to Breesus
One is. If you don't have a car there is no car to insure.
Of course, you'd have to live in a city to not own a car IMO.
Of course, you'd have to live in a city to not own a car IMO.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:25 am to Captain_Awesome06
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I make about 34k a year before tax . Crap job just want the experience from it. Not much chance of upward movement within the company either.
Yeah I was soooo spoiled. Took a degree-requiring job making 28k/year. A year later I got a promotion and bumped to 34k. In year 3 I'm doing better at 46k ("competitor" hired all senior staff away with ~20% raises).. resulted in a salary schedule change and a massive raise. Although the state can be kind of.. SJWs sometimes.. they gave the same raise I got to people in other offices who weren't affected. Homeboys over in the other offices have $750/month mortgages while my 3BR apartment costs $1325

I worked my arse off and I still do. Come in early, leave late, put in time on the weekends, etc. I don't get overtime either. Just see a need fill a need and i'll work until the work is done. But if I didn't have 3-4 room mates I could not have paid my bills for the first two years.. thankfully, as pointed out in this thread, hard work pays off and it's the best networking tool that exists.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 11:26 am
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:26 am to Byron Bojangles III
Thanks, Obama? 

Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:30 am to HubbaBubba
quote:ao what you trying to saw bruhhhhh?!!!
So if you're a shite-poster and people can figure out who you are, they won't hire you.

Naaa thanks for the post.
I've done a good bit of almost everything but haven't nailed down one industry Is my issue. It makes making any decisions on where I go next a little easier in a way due to having more options, just harder to get in and tackle that industry if that makes any sense.
quote:smart advice... it's just finding that initial interest and industry that I want to go head first in
Join industry groups. Write posts. Link to interesting articles. Make yourself visible. Go to industry trade shows. Many are free and you can register on their websites. Walk the floor. Meet people. Get their business cards. Send them emails thanking them and make sure they know of your interest in their company and industry.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:32 am to bmy
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bmy
It seems like you are on the right path. I know it sucks to have debt involved but moving up $18k in salary in two years is nothing to sneeze at. I'd be willing to bet that you'll be leveraging your experience into a nice bump when you decide to put yourself in the job market again.
Keep networking. Our business took a major hit in early 2015 and I've become a networking fool since then and we're on much more solid ground than we were two years ago.
This post was edited on 1/15/17 at 11:33 am
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:37 am to SuperSaint
A good source is the local Chamber of Commerce and the convention center. The CoC usually knows the smaller trade show events at the smaller convention centers at hotels, and then the large city convention centers almost always post their calendars online.
You can see then industry events coming to town. Almost every company that exhibits also sponsors passes. The industry webpage for the event will list the exhibiting companies and a contact for someone (usually the events coordinator for that company). Contact them and request a show pass to come in and visit with them. Also, many trade shows/conventions don't charge for the Exhibit hall. But you do have to register.
These are great resources to use.
You can see then industry events coming to town. Almost every company that exhibits also sponsors passes. The industry webpage for the event will list the exhibiting companies and a contact for someone (usually the events coordinator for that company). Contact them and request a show pass to come in and visit with them. Also, many trade shows/conventions don't charge for the Exhibit hall. But you do have to register.
These are great resources to use.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:39 am to VABuckeye
All of this bitching and moaning that there isn't opportunities available...
Non-skilled people are hired everyday at plants. We recently just hired a couple.
They start out at $65k
But a lot of younger people will complain about having to work outside, working weekends and holidays and large amounts of OT.
Oh well, can't have your cake and eat it too.
Non-skilled people are hired everyday at plants. We recently just hired a couple.
They start out at $65k
But a lot of younger people will complain about having to work outside, working weekends and holidays and large amounts of OT.
Oh well, can't have your cake and eat it too.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:44 am to geauxcats10
I grew up in a small town in Ohio. I mean small. Population 990.
The path there was you got a little land from your dad and started farming or you worked in a steel mill (dying industry at the time) or a car factory (declining industry at the time).
I went to college and got the hell out of there as there was no path for me. Sometimes you have to leave.
The path there was you got a little land from your dad and started farming or you worked in a steel mill (dying industry at the time) or a car factory (declining industry at the time).
I went to college and got the hell out of there as there was no path for me. Sometimes you have to leave.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:45 am to bmy
quote:If you are successful, you're working smart, not hard. If you're successful and wealthy, you're working smart AND hard.
hard work pays off and it's the best networking tool that exists

Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:48 am to geauxcats10
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geauxcats10
quote:
Non-skilled people are hired everyday at plants. We recently just hired a couple.
Sign me up?
I know I've spend hundreds of hours online filling out applications that I sometimes doubt has ever even been glanced at.
I've posted my email several times. If you know of an opportunity, I'm willing to peruse it.

Posted on 1/15/17 at 11:51 am to HubbaBubba
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A good source is the local Chamber of Commerce
Nice to know they are good for something besides hitting up every business in town for a check once a year
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:06 pm to yellowfin
CofC is such a bunch of frauds.... I guess some people can find some use for them. I find they pump more disinformation than anything else. Shake down racket.
Posted on 1/15/17 at 12:30 pm to bmy
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Millennials who are typically just entering the workforce don't have any leverage. You're talking about recent college grads who probably just finished up at an unpaid internship
Tough to negotiate when you literally can't afford to walk away from the table. Thanks boomers
What do people expect to get coming straight out of college? How the hell is this someone else's fault? You picked your major, not someone else.
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