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re: Making a Murder... Is Steven Avery guilty??

Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:22 pm to
Posted by MSUDawg98
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Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:22 pm to
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It's all bad, but framing an innocent person is horrible.
I agree especially when it's common but this was not the case Kocourek (nor his deputies).
Posted by MSUDawg98
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Posted on 9/4/25 at 8:41 pm to
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a guy who murdered a woman, forced his niece to have sex with him, forced his wife to have sex with his brother when he was in prison, and forced his nephew to help him rape and murder someone
There is a part of my family tree who lived in the area decades ago. One of them was a deputy 60+ years ago. After watching MAM with one of them, I heard the stories and the above is just scratching the surface. Avery grew up in a family that saw nothing wrong with torturing and mutilating animals for fun. They were outcasts in the community and it's a good thing for society that Dassey can not pass it along to another generation.

I saw someone bring up Avery's original case. His victim picked him out of a lineup. He had no alibi and without DNA testing, her word was enough to convict. She was revictimized by these MAM groupies and the family had to literally go into exile... away from a place where generations of the family were civic leaders.

Some people up there are just not meant to be a part of society. Watch the documentary Beyond Human Nature. A guy was murdered at a paper mill because his fellow union members thought he was going to report one of them for stealing an extension cord.
Posted by jizzle6609
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Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 9/5/25 at 9:47 am to
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That dude still has not been executed. What’s it been like 25 years?


He’s alive.

Should he be executed? He killed a pedophile from Canada for trying to videotape a 15 year old girl nude.

Prison gang shite is prison gang shite. They both know they were going to be fighting. One just got outsmarted by the other.

Nowadays the guy might’ve gotten off from the original charge.
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 9:48 am
Posted by 32footsteps
Member since Oct 2017
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Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:06 am to
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Watch the documentary Beyond Human Nature. A guy was murdered at a paper mill because his fellow union members thought he was going to report one of them for stealing an extension cord.


The Monfils case is a bit more murky than Avery. There were James River employees who refused to testify for the defense because Kutska was/is an a-hole and they wanted him out of that place. My cousin was one of them.

Anyone who buys completely into the Making a Murderer narrative lacks critical thinking skills. Sure, the police work was shoddy but that dude is where he belongs. Manitowoc County wasn’t going to be fully on the tab for his wrongful conviction. They were insured against it. That’s a big omission on the part of many.

I was at the Avery salvage yard once getting lower control arms for a Ford Galaxie. That whole clan should be exterminated. Not a single one of their midst is redeeming.

To me, a native of Northeast Wisconsin, the murder during my lifetime that illustrates the darkness and depravity that people can and will sink to is the Margaret Anderson murder. There’s a book on it and a few podcasts have covered it. It’s very possible that one will give you nightmares.
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:14 am to
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My guy, a dirty cop can plant evidence on you or your family. It's all bad, but framing an innocent person is horrible. If there is doubt in one case, all the cases come into question. And you so conveniently forget, these same cops already falsely accused and got him convicted once. And it cost the man 18 years of his life.



Man you really just believe everything you see on tv huh

You've planted your flag so far in the ground based on a TV show instead of actually doing some further research kind of shows your ignorance here.

You keep using the term innocent and that it cost him 18 years of his life, what about the person thatt he killed? What did it cost her? Maybe do better than just blindly believing a Netflix documentary before taking such a strong stance. I mean you realize this went before a jury right?
Posted by iwyLSUiwy
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Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 9/5/25 at 10:24 am to
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Margaret Anderson murder. There’s a book on it and a few podcasts have covered it. It’s very possible that one will give you nightmares.


I'll have to find that podcast.

Richard Ramirez is the one that did that for me. Read the book and was thoroughly creeped out and The Night Stalker documentary was fantastic. It's pretty hard to comprehend some of the evil that is out there.
Posted by bigfatpimp
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Member since Sep 2005
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Posted on 9/5/25 at 11:47 am to
Tim's Vermeer
Posted by VinegarStrokes
Georgia
Member since Oct 2015
14056 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 1:24 pm to
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Man you really just believe everything you see on tv huh

You've planted your flag so far in the ground based on a TV show instead of actually doing some further research kind of shows your ignorance here.

You keep using the term innocent and that it cost him 18 years of his life, what about the person thatt he killed? What did it cost her? Maybe do better than just blindly believing a Netflix documentary before taking such a strong stance. I mean you realize this went before a jury right?


The irony here is that this guy is doing the same shite he is accusing the police of doing. People like him and the producers of MaM ruined people's lives by editing courtroom footage to make it seem like they were saying one thing when in reality they weren't. Other than the family of the victim, the real loser out of all this is that Colburn guy. He got absolutely destroyed, and wrongfully so, because of people like the OP.
This post was edited on 9/5/25 at 1:25 pm
Posted by Sponge
Member since Nov 2018
4644 posts
Posted on 9/5/25 at 1:32 pm to
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As someone who despises Candace Owens, Convicting a Murderer showed how laughably absurd Making a Murderer was

This

I bought into the Making a Murder hype when it came out.

Turns out it was propaganda garbage from female activists.
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