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re: LSU women's tennis player who used racial slur no longer part of the team
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:32 am to CAPEX
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:32 am to CAPEX
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Her life has not been ruined so quit exaggerating.
Being kicked off a university's tennis team is hardly ruining of a life.
Strangest bump i've seen in awhile. Give us details bro.
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Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:32 am to upgrayedd
Would you prefer to allow the university to unilaterally react to similar incidents? Liberal much?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:34 am to RealDawg
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If she can’t say..he can’t say it. Can’t have different rules for using a word (especially not directed at somebody). Or..make the rule clear. Black people can say this and white people can’t. Define the policy. Clarify how much black you have to have in you to qualify. A word, used in popular culture music, as frequently as flour in bread, can’t be given this much power. It is simply a cultural power trip with no legal justification unless tied to some other act of hate.
While I agree that it should be more clear cut on the word for everyone, there is plenty of examples in our everyday life where the same word elicits different reactions based on context.
Think about how the word “bitch” works. Women can use it to describe friends in an endearing manner, but try calling your wife a bitch in an argument and see how it works out?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:37 am to slackster
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Women can use it to describe friends in an endearing manner, but try calling your wife a bitch in an argument and see how it works out?
But if I jokingly call my male friend a bitch, my life isn’t ruined.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:40 am to slackster
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Think about how the word “bitch” works. Women can use it to describe friends in an endearing manner, but try calling your wife a bitch in an argument and see how it works out?
Social or human reaction to the use of a word is different than legal action.
I’m not calling a black person N word because I might get my arse beat or because It’s just not appropriate. Same for bitch.
Here, we are talking about the legal power trip being used to harm white people with no proper justification.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:42 am to StringedInstruments
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But if I jokingly call my male friend a bitch, my life isn’t ruined.
Yeah obviously. The n word is the extreme example of words having multiple meanings in multiple contexts. I’m just pointing out that we work around these things every day, so people that want things cut and dry for a word no matter the use can’t be surprised when they fail to get their way.
I’d also add that Sage’s context is more of a problem than the tennis player’s.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 7:44 am to RealDawg
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Social or human reaction to the use of a word is different than legal action. I’m not calling a black person N word because I might get my arse beat or because It’s just not appropriate. Same for bitch. Here, we are talking about the legal power trip being used to harm white people with no proper justification.
Yeah we’re probably on the same page - I’m just addressing people who seem bewildered that the same word can have different reactions in general. I hate the simplistic argument of “if I can’t say it no one can say it” without any critical thinking.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:00 am to CAPEX
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Everyone knows there are consequences for racial slurs.
If it were that simple. I just made a post to someone whose thought process was pretty much "Red R good. Blue D bad". These simple mindsets are having a bigger impact than on people today more than ever.. Because one of the main factors that go into these decisions is "how will people react and how will this program be perceived". You really think its that simple "college student caught using racial slur, we don't accept that behavior from anyone and by golly this program has no room for people like this"?
Or do you think its more like "Oh good. That was just a walk on who said it? At least it wasn't a star player, we can just kick her off and be done with it. It would suck to have to put together a plan on how we have to spin it". You know, sort of like what happens in the more watchable sports that more people follow.
Walk on long snapper gets in bar fight breaks beer bottle over someone's head: Kicked off team to make an example out of.
Star quarterback gets into bar fight breaks beer bottle over someone's head: He was provoked and while the university does not support the actions he is being accused of, we believe this could be a case of mis identification so if we can't get that person to say they misidentified him then we clearly believe he was provoked and his actions were due to him feeling as if he was being threatened and did what he thought he had to do to protect himself. The degree of his guilt will depend on his performance on the field so those who want justice. If he ends up being a bust, there that could mean better news for you. If he lives up to his potential and we have a great season, it will all go away".
Don't give me this bullshite about "if tennis meant that much to her she wouldn't have said a racial slur". If you think that's how life works you are a moron.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:02 am to RealDawg
quote:what does getting kicked off of a tennis team have to do with the law?
Here, we are talking about the legal power trip being used to harm white people with no proper justification.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 8:02 am
Posted on 1/4/23 at 8:44 am to CAPEX
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Everyone knows there are consequences for using slurs.
If you’re white
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:02 am to GeauxxxTigers23
I'm a few years older than her (not much older either).
Everyone our age knows that it's a violation of the social contract to say racial slurs publicly. Her age isn't an excuse - at 18, you know the difference between right and wrong.
I'm not going to feel sorry for people who break that contract when it's been said so many times throughout school that racial slurs are wrong and we shouldn't say them publicly.
And I'm not advocating for her to be severely punished - she's not being excluded. Being stripped of a sports position isn't that big a deal and I think she should be allowed back in after a year out.
You call it weak, I call it enforcement of basic decency.
Everyone our age knows that it's a violation of the social contract to say racial slurs publicly. Her age isn't an excuse - at 18, you know the difference between right and wrong.
I'm not going to feel sorry for people who break that contract when it's been said so many times throughout school that racial slurs are wrong and we shouldn't say them publicly.
And I'm not advocating for her to be severely punished - she's not being excluded. Being stripped of a sports position isn't that big a deal and I think she should be allowed back in after a year out.
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Unfortunately the weakest people in our society have taken over and for some reason feel that using an insensitive word is the worst crime one can commit.
You call it weak, I call it enforcement of basic decency.
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 9:03 am
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:07 am to Strannix
I have the strength not to use racial slurs in public. I've somehow managed to resist the temptation my entire life.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:12 am to CAPEX
The issue here is that an institution funded by Constitutional government is reacting to a violation of a social contract. Worse, they are selectively doing this
This post was edited on 1/4/23 at 9:14 am
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:17 am to 75503Tiger
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The issue here is that an institution funded by Constitutional government is reacting to a violation of a social contract. Worse, they are selectively doing this
But public universities are considered private areas by the law despite their public funding from what I can understand.
Public universities can restrict access to students only for example with no legal issues. A public university can exclude a student or punish a student by forbidding access to certain clubs if they violate a rule made by the university.
Otherwise, that would make suspending someone illegal.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:19 am to Proximo
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Why hasn’t the black LSU student athlete that said “bitch arse n” to an opponent while standing over him been removed from the football team yet?
He should be removed.
The existence of a double standard can and should be criticized.
I'm not seeing that here though - I'm seeing people argue that she shouldn't be removed, not that he should be removed too.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 9:25 am to CAPEX
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He should be removed.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:01 pm to CAPEX
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Everyone our age knows that it's a violation of the social contract to say racial slurs publicly.
Do you know what context she said it in and where?
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:04 pm to Strannix
Sounds like her civil rights were violated. She was removed from the team because she is white. If the roles were reversed the black person would not have been removed from the team. Black people call each other that millions of times a day with no problem. The LSU admin. needs to be asked if she were black would she have been removed from the team. Plain and simple.
Posted on 1/4/23 at 12:25 pm to inspectweld
Tennis Gal stacccckked LSU fuxxxxxed
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