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re: Louisiana has more opiod prescriptions than people

Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:40 am to
Posted by Jcorye1
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:40 am to
Not surprising in the least.

This is why I get aggravated when people won't shut up about sitting or standing during the national anthem... we have real problems to deal with in this country.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:41 am to
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sure but as a tolerance arises, the help provided diminishes and i don't most of these heavy painkillers are viable long term solutions for most people.



Spot on. Eventually you reach the top of the rung of 100mmg Fent patches and what do you do when that stops working? By now even if you were using them as intended you have huge physical and phsyco dependance. So you do heroin.
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 7:42 am
Posted by Rust Cohle
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:45 am to
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Realistically what can be done to address this?


Don't ban Kratom.

One of the biggest problems with prescription opiates is that they can be double dosed. Meaning that no matter the tolerance you can double your dose to get a similar effect.

But with Kratom there is a ceiling effect, where if you take more it does not increase the effects. Kratom could be used as a first-line painkiller over opiates after surgery. But if it becomes illegal it will never be able to be studied for legitimacy.
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 7:51 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:46 am to
I was an opiate addict. I know a lot about them. I LOVE every opiate and opioid there is. That said they should NOT be used to manage long term pain and should only be for short term things like hospital stays or up to a month max after major injuries or accidents.
Posted by RoyalBaby
South Central
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:53 am to
Didn't get one for that as I don't have that problem. I went to a walk-in clinic in Youngsville. Needless to say I've never been back since.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:53 am to
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Don't ban Kratom.



Agree. Kratrom is crap for anyone with a serious opiate habit though. IF they began using it as a first treatment option it could be much better.
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 7:54 am
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:55 am to
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I went to a walk-in clinic


Another lie. Urgent cares and walk in clinics aren't legally allowed to prescribe opiates, benzos, adderall, or any controlled substance
Posted by RoyalBaby
South Central
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:58 am to
I don't know what they're called as I've only had one script for pain med that I've ever filled. It was for percocet when I had my wisdom teeth removed. Took one dose and it knocked me out so I got rid of the rest.

I know one script was definitely percocet and one for hydrocodone. I know hydrocodone is a liquid as my kids have been prescribed it several times for ear infections.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 7:59 am to
Sure you do buddy. They don't write you scripts that say "hydrocodone." Everything you have said in this thread has been easily detectable as lie by anyone who was/is an addict or has been on opiates. Liquid hydrocodone is given only to people who have pneumonia or strep throat or something like that, maybe ear infections but
i have never seen it for that. They would've never given you that though for what you said you went for and your script would not have said hydrocodone on it at all.
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 8:03 am
Posted by RoyalBaby
South Central
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:03 am to
Again, like I said I'm not a pain med expert. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
Posted by The Dudes Rug
Member since Nov 2004
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:03 am to
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Urgent cares and walk in clinics aren't legally allowed to prescribe opiates, benzos, adderall, or any controlled substance

Dude, urgent care clinics prescribe schedule drugs all the time. I chipped a tooth in college, went to a clinic, and got hydrocodone.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:04 am to
A man who can admit when he is wrong is ok with me
Posted by td01241
Savannah
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:04 am to
Maybe that is just a Georgia law then. It is literally posted at the front of every Urgent care/walk in clinic in Georgia that no controlled substances can be prescribed. I know this for fact because when I was addicted I would go from place to place trying to get them. South Carolina was the same way, so I assumed it was a national law. Also, idk when you were in college but laws change. The PK laws are so different nationally than they were 5,3, even 1 year ago.

ETA: After some quick research it is all state decided. Most don't allow it though.
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 8:12 am
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:04 am to
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I had surgery a week ago for something that usually requires 6 weeks of pain pills prescribed. Yet, I didn't even need them after the third day. Maybe I'm just lucky though.


I have had three surgeries in my 26 years. Two sports injuries and appendix. I have "needed" the pain killers for just a few days after each


Posted by RoyalBaby
South Central
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2256 posts
Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:09 am to
Only in that I may not have the name right on the lortab script. Again, pain meds aren't my thing. I stay away. I have a family history of abuse and I'd rather not go down that road. I was agreeing with the notion that there are way too many places and doctors that give this shite out like candy and I shared my experience. But lying I am not.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:11 am to
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Realistically what can be done to address this?


Primary prevention via practical maintenance of health

Eating properly
Moving properly/avoiding injury
Acknowledging the importance of sleep
Stress management (for overworked, overstimulated folks in a sea of negativity bias on all fronts)


Our society does of poor job of advising folks how to do this properly and practically. Quite frankly, very few people in the populace place any value on all of these themes.

The end result: A society that "drives their body like they stole it" for decades. Said person than expects the "healthcare system" to acutely fix / save them from their chronic issues. There is no quick fix for chronic misuse/neglect of the mind/body. Instead, palliative measures are instituted to manage these "unfixable" folks. Voila, a society managed via pharmaceuticals/narcotics toiling under false aspiration for a cure to their problems or frustrated with the maintanence by chronic medication to "manage their condition" (not surprisingly, for which they have little insight into how they acquired in the first place)

Below are proper/practical recs for the themes I listed above:

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This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 8:14 am
Posted by mstald1
New Orleans
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:19 am to
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Another lie. Urgent cares and walk in clinics aren't legally allowed to prescribe opiates, benzos, adderall, or any controlled substance




Of course they are. Any licensed MD with a valid DEA number can prescribe these meds in a clinical setting.

Edit: I see that perhaps it may depend on individual state law.
This post was edited on 10/7/16 at 8:22 am
Posted by fightingtiger2335
heh?
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:28 am to
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on't ban Kratom.


The dea wasn't expecting the backlash of their dirty tactics last week. Redditch Kratom did outstanding job getting lawmakers involves. I don't like the way I feel dependent on painkillers and get relief and pleasure from them in a big gray area so I don't take them. Kratom was a god send for my pain and anxiety. If and when the ban goes through you are pushing people right back into their addiction.
The fact they tried to schedule it on same level as heroin under the radar was infuriating
Posted by fightingtiger2335
heh?
Member since Aug 2007
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:34 am to
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Agree. Kratrom is crap for anyone with a serious opiate habit though


Disagree. It takes a slight adjustment period but after multiple tries to stop my pk and failing cause ofthe withdrawals Kratom made it much easier. And I was taking way more than I should have on the 30s. Was around 150mg a day to be normal. Was way over prescribed and could just say I needed more and would get it everytime I asked.

I rarely take asprin now and the kratom works
Posted by Fratigerguy
Member since Jan 2014
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Posted on 10/7/16 at 8:34 am to
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sure but as a tolerance arises, the help provided diminishes and i don't most of these heavy painkillers are viable long term solutions for most people.


Yeah, you are 100% correct on that. But not sure of the solution. Surgeries, holistic healing, therapy, etc, etc, etc all get tried by some folks. When you have no other option, you really have no other option.
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