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re: Looks like the state is meeting to discuss legalization of Mary Jane
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:26 am to Iona Fan Man
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:26 am to Iona Fan Man
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Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:35 am to Sal Minella
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And cigarettes are legal everywhere.
NY Cigarette Black Market
Massachucetts Cigarette Black Market
Chicago's Cigarette Black Market
Insane taxes are why those exist. It's not right, but the government will "sin tax" booze/smokes/pot at a level where they think they will maximize revenues, regardless of the black markets it will create.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:38 am to THRILLHO
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Insane taxes are why those exist. It's not right, but the government will "sin tax" booze/smokes/pot at a level where they think they will maximize revenues, regardless of the black markets it will create.
Bingo. Price of pot will come down with increased competition. The black market will not disappear, but will definitely be smaller and far less violent.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:48 am to Brettesaurus Rex
I'm sure the poll wasn't skewed at all and targeted a good poll base 
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:54 am to RogerTheShrubber
quote:RTS, if you are suggesting that the "marijuana" black market will shrink and become less violent, sure.
The black market will not disappear, but will definitely be smaller and far less violent.
Drugs, in general, it's not happening. There is a ton of money to be made in the RX drug black market and violent as well as property crime will be perpetuated because of it. And these are "legal" drugs.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 12:58 am to Sal Minella
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RTS, if you are suggesting that the "marijuana" black market will shrink and become less violent, sure.
Drugs, in general, it's not happening. There is a ton of money to be made in the RX drug black market and violent as well as property crime will be perpetuated because of it. And these are "legal" drugs.
My solution is to legalize all drugs. Any increased property crime would be worth the major decrease in violent crime associated with the black market.
I posted a link earlier that showed why the first prohibition failed and we haven't learned anything from it.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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My solution is to legalize all drugs
RX drugs are legal.
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Any increased property crime would be worth the major decrease in violent crime associated with the black market.
Property crimes begat violent crimes.
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I posted a link earlier that showed why the first prohibition failed and we haven't learned anything from it.
I not ready to stipulate that the prohibition of a guy having access to Canadian Club is the same as prohibiting unfettered access to 30mg Roxis.
As far as marijuana goes, I'm totally indifferent to whether is legalized or not. I've got no skin in the game. Stop before you mention wasted tax dollars on the war on drugs. It's not like anyone is going to reduce tax rates. I can go to a 311 concert and not sweat being surrounded by people burning some purp.
Send me to an arena full of Roxiheads...no thanks.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:31 am to Sal Minella
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Property crimes begat violent crimes.
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Dude, our homicide rate shot up with the advent of the war on drugs. Our jails are full because of the war on drugs.
I'll guarantee you prices would come down, crimes would come down if the drug prohibition were ended.
Drug use isn't nearly as big a societal problem as the illegal nature of it's use and the associated black market.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:51 am to wish i was tebow
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Does MJ have to be grown inside a grow house or can it grow outside? AKA - could all of our farmland around the state one day grow MJ?
Yes it can be grown outside. Inside allows you to controls variables and really create what you want
Yes, it can be grown outside but their question was more specific to can it be grown outside in LA. Answer is no, it is too hot and humid.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:56 am to Sal Minella
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. Stop before you mention wasted tax dollars on the war on drugs. It's not like anyone is going to reduce tax rates.
Tax rates won't be reduced but we could use the 30 or so billion dollars our country wastes a year on something else. That amount doesn't include the money we give to Colombia or other countries to fight a never winning battle within their borders.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 1:57 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Drug use isn't nearly as big a societal problem as the illegal nature of it's use and the associated black market.
Drug related deaths are outpacing vehicle related deaths. To me, that's a societal problem and has nothing to do with the legality of it. People abandoned their children searching for the next high and has nothing to do with the legality of it. People break in my house to steal shite to fund their addiction and has nothing to do with the legality of it. People stick a gun in the face of me and my kids in a parking lot to take my money. Why? To get something to eat or to go find some opiate to bang? To me that's societal problems and it happens all the time.
Point me to a link where absolute legalization of all drugs in the US would eliminate this.
Again, all legal and at the same time the largest growing black market drug
Purdue Pharma and Watson would never be able to keep up with the production required if oxycodone and hydrocodone were sold OTC.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 2:23 am to LSUintheNW
quote:OK but according to Columbia University, the largest share of governmental spending related to drug addiction is health care costs. Do those wasted tax dollars not bother you?
Tax rates won't be reduced but we could use the 30 or so billion dollars our country wastes a year on something else
Posted on 1/16/14 at 2:23 am to Rebel
[quote]I think you meant to say Colorado is an "at will" state?
Have you ever fired someone in "at-will" state? There are plenty of Federal Fair Labor laws that supersede state law.
If you don't think employers will relax their policies, you are naive.
Once the policy negatively impacts the bottom line long enough, the rules will change. [/quote\]
Ummm its still illegal with the federal government right? So good luck trying to push that lawsuit into federal courts. Also Louisiana is just voting on dispensaries right now correct? And lowering the penalty on possession? The cops can still make their bust because you still going to have dumb shits who carry it illegally. Legalizing pot ain't gonna make your average street dealer smarter all the sudden. So when they make the bust they can just get the the person to pay the fine. That brings more money into the local budget and also cuts down on crowded parish jails
Have you ever fired someone in "at-will" state? There are plenty of Federal Fair Labor laws that supersede state law.
If you don't think employers will relax their policies, you are naive.
Once the policy negatively impacts the bottom line long enough, the rules will change. [/quote\]
Ummm its still illegal with the federal government right? So good luck trying to push that lawsuit into federal courts. Also Louisiana is just voting on dispensaries right now correct? And lowering the penalty on possession? The cops can still make their bust because you still going to have dumb shits who carry it illegally. Legalizing pot ain't gonna make your average street dealer smarter all the sudden. So when they make the bust they can just get the the person to pay the fine. That brings more money into the local budget and also cuts down on crowded parish jails
Posted on 1/16/14 at 2:45 am to Sal Minella
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Tax rates won't be reduced but we could use the 30 or so billion dollars our country wastes a year on something else
OK but according to Columbia University, the largest share of governmental spending related to drug addiction is health care costs. Do those wasted tax dollars not bother you?
Difference is, some people can be fixed. You will NEVER stop the flow of illegal drugs when it's worth so much. Prison sentences won't stop the next man up from trying to get rich.
You can use a wee bit of that 30 or so billion to help those who need it. Prison won't help them.
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 2:48 am
Posted on 1/16/14 at 4:23 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Legalize it, dont criticize it
Posted on 1/16/14 at 5:49 am to Brettesaurus Rex
Hope this passes but it won't. Hell, we can't even get Landrieu out of office
Posted on 1/16/14 at 5:52 am to Ba Ba Boooey
I know. I don't know what people are thinking by keeping that mouth breather elected. In other news though. I just woke up with an insatiable thirst.
Posted on 1/16/14 at 7:14 am to LSUintheNW
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Difference is, some people can be fixed. You will NEVER stop the flow of illegal drugs when it's worth so much. Prison sentences won't stop the next man up from trying to get rich.
Oh, so I'm assuming that you believe Bernie Madoff is wrongfully imprisoned?
Posted on 1/16/14 at 7:19 am to Brettesaurus Rex
How the hell can they try to legalize pot before bringing back the drinking age to 18 where it should be? Priorities people
Posted on 1/16/14 at 7:23 am to The Boat
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Also the drinking age should be 18.
Tell that to the Feds - Louisiana was one of the last 18-year old drinking states - Feds hold highway money hostage to enforce 18 - and, ultimately, that was why 0.08 was enforced.
I wonder how long it will be before the High BAC will be enforced - and I was somewhat surprised to discover that New Jersey and Rhode Island have increased penalties as low as at 0.10% (the old intoxication level in Louisiana and other places).
ETA: To tie it back in to the original topic - there are now more federal rules on drinking in Louisiana (and the other states), enforced, than on marijuana in Colorado, even though marijuana it is still against federal law.
This post was edited on 1/16/14 at 7:25 am
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