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re: Looking for some pitching sequence tips for youth baseball...

Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:45 pm to
Posted by bodean45
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:45 pm to
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Change-up should be the 2nd pitch thrown, though it's not as easy as many on here believe it is


Actually, if a change-up is thrown correctly, it is much easier to get command of. It is the same mechanics as a fastball with a different grip (I'm talking about a circle change). A curve ball/drop is much harder to throw correctly and get command of for an 11-12 y.o.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68723 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:45 pm to
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Ok so maybe your little leaguers slow their windup down and throw a slower pitch. If that's what you want to call a change up. That doesn't work in a good all star or travel league. And especially by 13-14 that doesn't fool anyone when the mound is pushed back.


no i call a changeup using the same arm speed as with the fastball.

Easier to learn at 11-12 then at 19-20 IMO.
Posted by bodean45
Lafayette
Member since Oct 2007
1101 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:47 pm to
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Idiot


Hey pot, meet kettle.

You are the one who is comparing college and MLB pitchers to 11-12 y.o. city league pitchers. I believe you have solidified your spot as the idiot in this thread.
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
21610 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:47 pm to
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No, I said it was stupid. It was.


So, you're saying there's no correlation between size and power in the sport of baseball? And you call me stupid?

Do me a favor and look up the top 10 HR leaders in the MLB the past 20 years. Let me know what you find. There are a few exceptions, but a strong correlation exists.
Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39362 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:48 pm to
KNOW IT ALL!!

we were playing 70 games a summer at 11-12. If you couldn't throw a second pitch, you were on the bench
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:48 pm to
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seen great relief pitchers with fastballs of 97+ and a great breaking ball. What holds them back from being a starter?
Most closers only have to use 2 pitches, especially power pitchers because they will only see the batter once in the game.
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
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Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:49 pm to
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Most closers only have to use 2 pitches, especially power pitchers because they will only see the batter once in the game.



Exactly. If they can develop even a mediocre changeup, they would be starting because a starter is infinitely more valuable than reliever. Unless of course they just don't have the stamina. But many relievers were starters at some point.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285051 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:50 pm to
I'm comparing the fact that the coaches in here can teach a 11-12 year old a change up, but a MLB pitching coach can't teach a professional pitcher how to properly throw one.

Lol but yes, I am the idiot.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
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68723 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:52 pm to
Do you think its easier to learn how to play golf as an adult or as a kid?

Posted by Lester Earl
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Member since Nov 2003
285051 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:52 pm to
I got hit with the old pot & kettle saying, I don't know how I can recover.
Posted by Phattie Jet
LaPlace
Member since Aug 2012
307 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:53 pm to
Use zones= 123, Up to inside to start and work out, then 456 middle height, then 789 ending with zone 9 low and outside.
Concetrate on outside corner=Im an umpire, we call that more than in bc a kid will jump and if you call that a strike it tends to looks bad, especially if its borderline. Concentrate on keep the ball down-a good ump will call that a strike before the high pitch.
Any 0-2 count, go outside. Any 2-2 count go out side as they will need to protect.
If a kid is dropping shoulder, throw middle up.
If a kid has a good swing, hit the corners, frustrate him by not giving him meat to hit.
Use verbal's to the ump "Watch his feet, he on the plate", stuff like that-it will get in the kids head, even if he's not on the plate, he will back up, then throw on the corner.
Also, its important to have the pitcher adjust on the rubber-if he is too outside, make him move-meaning, if he is out on a right hander, make him move to 3rd base side more, ball will tail to corner, and vice versa.
I could go on forever...good luck
Posted by PurpleAndGold86
Member since Jun 2012
11036 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:54 pm to
quote:

I'm comparing the fact that the coaches in here can teach a 11-12 year old a change up, but a MLB pitching coach can't teach a professional pitcher how to properly throw one. Lol but yes, I am the idiot.

The fact that you are comparing what happens at an 11-12 year old level to the MLB level is what makes you an idiot.

Posted by Caplewood
Atlanta
Member since Jun 2010
39362 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:54 pm to
stick and move stick and move
Posted by jimbeam
University of LSU
Member since Oct 2011
75703 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:54 pm to
Fastballs and some change ups

Outside mainly

STRIKE ZONE

they're 11
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
21610 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:55 pm to
quote:

Do you think its easier to learn how to play golf as an adult or as a kid?



That's not the same comparison.

A fair comparison would be this:

Is it easier for a professional golfer to work on a 75 foot putt or a kid?
Posted by dante
Kingwood, TX
Member since Mar 2006
10669 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:56 pm to
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Exactly. If they can develop even a mediocre changeup, they would be starting because a starter is infinitely more valuable than reliever. Unless of course they just don't have the stamina. But many relievers were starters at some point.
This is up for debate and no right or wrong answer. A starter goes once every 5 days...the closer can go 3. I think you need to distinguish closer and reliever. At the college and major league level the closer is every bit as important as a starter. Middle reliever not as much.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285051 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:56 pm to
I don't think it's easier as a kid. It's probably more beneficial to learn at a young age if you hope to be any good later in life, though.
Posted by Lester Earl
3rd Ward
Member since Nov 2003
285051 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:58 pm to
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The fact that you are comparing what happens at an 11-12 year old level to the MLB level is what makes you an idiot.


Again, please expand.

You say a change up is the 2nd easiest pitch to teach, when in fact it is the 4th or 5th hardest one to master.

So yes, it matters that many good HS/college/MLB cannot throw an effective change up.

In the end your point is baseless because of that.
Posted by Moustache
GEAUX TIGERS
Member since May 2008
21610 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:01 pm to
quote:

At the college and major league level the closer is every bit as important as a starter. Middle reliever not as much.


Definitely debatable. College level..maybe. MLB level, there are many who argue a closer is an extremely overrated position. I would venture to say many GMs would prefer a 2nd or 3rd rotation starter over a closer any day of the week, as they are in charge of 30-35 games a year and give you 190+ innings worth of pitching.
Posted by Topwater Trout
Red Stick
Member since Oct 2010
68723 posts
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:01 pm to
I think its easier to learn most things as a kid. Switch hitting, the golf swing, swimming, throwing motion, different pitches...etc but i am tired of arguing about it.
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