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re: Looking for some pitching sequence tips for youth baseball...
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:45 pm to Moustache
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:45 pm to Moustache
quote:
Change-up should be the 2nd pitch thrown, though it's not as easy as many on here believe it is
Actually, if a change-up is thrown correctly, it is much easier to get command of. It is the same mechanics as a fastball with a different grip (I'm talking about a circle change). A curve ball/drop is much harder to throw correctly and get command of for an 11-12 y.o.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:45 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Ok so maybe your little leaguers slow their windup down and throw a slower pitch. If that's what you want to call a change up. That doesn't work in a good all star or travel league. And especially by 13-14 that doesn't fool anyone when the mound is pushed back.
no i call a changeup using the same arm speed as with the fastball.
Easier to learn at 11-12 then at 19-20 IMO.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:47 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
Idiot
Hey pot, meet kettle.
You are the one who is comparing college and MLB pitchers to 11-12 y.o. city league pitchers. I believe you have solidified your spot as the idiot in this thread.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:47 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
No, I said it was stupid. It was.
So, you're saying there's no correlation between size and power in the sport of baseball? And you call me stupid?
Do me a favor and look up the top 10 HR leaders in the MLB the past 20 years. Let me know what you find. There are a few exceptions, but a strong correlation exists.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:48 pm to Lester Earl
KNOW IT ALL!!
we were playing 70 games a summer at 11-12. If you couldn't throw a second pitch, you were on the bench
we were playing 70 games a summer at 11-12. If you couldn't throw a second pitch, you were on the bench
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:48 pm to Moustache
quote:Most closers only have to use 2 pitches, especially power pitchers because they will only see the batter once in the game.
seen great relief pitchers with fastballs of 97+ and a great breaking ball. What holds them back from being a starter?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:49 pm to dante
quote:
Most closers only have to use 2 pitches, especially power pitchers because they will only see the batter once in the game.
Exactly. If they can develop even a mediocre changeup, they would be starting because a starter is infinitely more valuable than reliever. Unless of course they just don't have the stamina. But many relievers were starters at some point.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:50 pm to bodean45
I'm comparing the fact that the coaches in here can teach a 11-12 year old a change up, but a MLB pitching coach can't teach a professional pitcher how to properly throw one.
Lol but yes, I am the idiot.
Lol but yes, I am the idiot.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:52 pm to Lester Earl
Do you think its easier to learn how to play golf as an adult or as a kid?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:52 pm to Caplewood
I got hit with the old pot & kettle saying, I don't know how I can recover.



Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:53 pm to OTIS2
Use zones= 123, Up to inside to start and work out, then 456 middle height, then 789 ending with zone 9 low and outside.
Concetrate on outside corner=Im an umpire, we call that more than in bc a kid will jump and if you call that a strike it tends to looks bad, especially if its borderline. Concentrate on keep the ball down-a good ump will call that a strike before the high pitch.
Any 0-2 count, go outside. Any 2-2 count go out side as they will need to protect.
If a kid is dropping shoulder, throw middle up.
If a kid has a good swing, hit the corners, frustrate him by not giving him meat to hit.
Use verbal's to the ump "Watch his feet, he on the plate", stuff like that-it will get in the kids head, even if he's not on the plate, he will back up, then throw on the corner.
Also, its important to have the pitcher adjust on the rubber-if he is too outside, make him move-meaning, if he is out on a right hander, make him move to 3rd base side more, ball will tail to corner, and vice versa.
I could go on forever...good luck
Concetrate on outside corner=Im an umpire, we call that more than in bc a kid will jump and if you call that a strike it tends to looks bad, especially if its borderline. Concentrate on keep the ball down-a good ump will call that a strike before the high pitch.
Any 0-2 count, go outside. Any 2-2 count go out side as they will need to protect.
If a kid is dropping shoulder, throw middle up.
If a kid has a good swing, hit the corners, frustrate him by not giving him meat to hit.
Use verbal's to the ump "Watch his feet, he on the plate", stuff like that-it will get in the kids head, even if he's not on the plate, he will back up, then throw on the corner.
Also, its important to have the pitcher adjust on the rubber-if he is too outside, make him move-meaning, if he is out on a right hander, make him move to 3rd base side more, ball will tail to corner, and vice versa.
I could go on forever...good luck
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:54 pm to Lester Earl
quote:
I'm comparing the fact that the coaches in here can teach a 11-12 year old a change up, but a MLB pitching coach can't teach a professional pitcher how to properly throw one. Lol but yes, I am the idiot.
The fact that you are comparing what happens at an 11-12 year old level to the MLB level is what makes you an idiot.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:54 pm to Lester Earl

Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:54 pm to Chicken
Fastballs and some change ups
Outside mainly
STRIKE ZONE
they're 11
Outside mainly
STRIKE ZONE
they're 11
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:55 pm to Topwater Trout
quote:
Do you think its easier to learn how to play golf as an adult or as a kid?
That's not the same comparison.
A fair comparison would be this:
Is it easier for a professional golfer to work on a 75 foot putt or a kid?
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:56 pm to Moustache
quote:This is up for debate and no right or wrong answer. A starter goes once every 5 days...the closer can go 3. I think you need to distinguish closer and reliever. At the college and major league level the closer is every bit as important as a starter. Middle reliever not as much.
Exactly. If they can develop even a mediocre changeup, they would be starting because a starter is infinitely more valuable than reliever. Unless of course they just don't have the stamina. But many relievers were starters at some point.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:56 pm to Topwater Trout
I don't think it's easier as a kid. It's probably more beneficial to learn at a young age if you hope to be any good later in life, though.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 2:58 pm to PurpleAndGold86
quote:
The fact that you are comparing what happens at an 11-12 year old level to the MLB level is what makes you an idiot.
Again, please expand.
You say a change up is the 2nd easiest pitch to teach, when in fact it is the 4th or 5th hardest one to master.
So yes, it matters that many good HS/college/MLB cannot throw an effective change up.
In the end your point is baseless because of that.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:01 pm to dante
quote:
At the college and major league level the closer is every bit as important as a starter. Middle reliever not as much.
Definitely debatable. College level..maybe. MLB level, there are many who argue a closer is an extremely overrated position. I would venture to say many GMs would prefer a 2nd or 3rd rotation starter over a closer any day of the week, as they are in charge of 30-35 games a year and give you 190+ innings worth of pitching.
Posted on 2/19/14 at 3:01 pm to Lester Earl
I think its easier to learn most things as a kid. Switch hitting, the golf swing, swimming, throwing motion, different pitches...etc but i am tired of arguing about it. 

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