re: Live PD Thread- A&E

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Spent a few minutes reviewing your posts, you don't troll, in fact most of your posts are mild. why are you here?

You have posted in the live pd before but not like this. I question your motives.

If you are a cop here is this: it takes a stupid frick to catch a stupid frick. That's why they hired you :biatch:

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Not an officer anymore. I policed in two states, both in large municipalities with swaths of crime-ridden areas.

I'm not trolling. In fact, I shared a tactic I employed (with stunning results, I should add) in a public, open forum. I could argue that it's a bigger dick move not to share it.

Maybe someone could learn something.

It's you guys who got all twisted because a bunch of losers made some poor choices. I didn't exactly patrol areas full of soccer moms. I worked in high-crime areas.

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In an earlier 9th Circuit case, the court disapproved of the entry of federal agents into a home that was accomplished with the assistance of local police officers. The local officers requested to enter to investigate a fictitious burglary. The officers used this ruse in order to gain access to the defendant in his own home for the purpose of placing him under arrest without first obtaining an arrest warrant. United States v. Phillips, 497 F.2d 1131 (9th Cir. 1974).

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But see, lying to gain entry into a home would be harmful to an otherwise innocent person.

A person already detained and/or lawfully stopped and being investigated for something is a different story.

I don't do drugs. Got a speeding ticket last week, wasn't an unpleasant experience. They let me go.

I just have a feeling 300 posts in 10 years is an alter and you are trying to rustle us. Live pd is over. I am out for the night. You should do the same

ETA: we are rustled, you win here is your trophy

You're full of shite.

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The Deceitful Objective
Lying about what you are searching for is not OK.

An individual may limit the scope of any consent given to law enforcement. For example, a person may give consent to officers to search his home, with the exception of a bedroom. A citizen may allow a search of his person, but not his briefcase. In addition, a person giving consent to a search of his home for the sole and express purpose of locating stolen pianos restricts the officers’ search to only those areas large enough to conceal pianos.

Often times when asked for consent to search, a subject will ask what the officer is searching for. The officer needs to be honest and forthright in answering that question. If the officer asks for and receives consent to search a car for drugs, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that such consent can extend to containers in the vehicle that could contain the drugs. Florida v. Jimeno, 500 U.S. 248 (1991). But when officers receive consent to search for narcotics and then also search for and seize currency and exchange receipts, insurance policies, loan receipts, and certificates of title to real estate, the officers have misused the limited consent as a license to conduct a general exploratory search. Such unlawful action by government officers or agents raises the issue of the overall voluntariness of the actual consent. United States v. Dichiarinte, 445 F.2d 126 (7th Cir. 1971).

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Recently, the Tenth Circuit Court of Appeals decided a case in favor of a criminal suspect when ATF agents, in an effort to obtain consent to search the residence, lied to the suspect by falsely telling him they were there to search for drugs and bombs when they were searching for illegal firearms.

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Often times when asked for consent to search, a subject will ask what the officer is searching for.
The officer needs to be honest and forthright in answering that question. If the officer asks for
and receives consent to search a car for drugs, the U.S. Supreme Court has ruled that such
consent can extend to containers in the vehicle that could contain the drugs. Florida v. Jimeno,
500 U.S. 248 (1991). But when officers receive consent to search for narcotics and then also
search for and seize currency and exchange receipts, insurance policies, loan receipts, and
certificates of title to real estate, the officers have misused the limited consent as a license to
conduct a general exploratory search. Such unlawful action by government officers or agents
raises the issue of the overall voluntariness of the actual consent. United States v. Dichiarinte,
445 F.2d 126 (7th Cir. 1971).

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Meaning, you're full of shite.

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But see, lying to gain entry into a home would be harmful to an otherwise innocent person.

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How so? In states with a castle doctrine, your car is an extension of your home.

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But see, lying to gain entry into a home would be harmful to an otherwise innocent person.

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You still haven't cited to a case stating that this is the standard.

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A person already detained and/or lawfully stopped and being investigated for something is a different story.

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Is a person that has been detained and/or lawfully stopped not an "otherwise innocent person"? They haven't been arrested yet, right? If they had been arrested you wouldn't need consent.

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It really is a moot point. No one here can really think that police can't lawfully deceive people, right? Surely that can't be denied.

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Me and BamaChick have both done it. Now frick off and stop backtracking.

Police CAN lie in certain circumstances but what YOU described - lying about searching for loose gem stones when you are just on a fishing expedition to maybe find something illegal - is NOT one of those circumstances.

If you use some bullshite story about looking for a kidnapped child as a means to search the trunk of my car and find a bag of weed, that's not allowed.

Good thing you aren't an LEO any longer and you made it to retirement without getting in trouble for your bullshite.

That case is about an interrogation. Interrogations are a different animal, although similar rules apply.

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Maybe it's tricky, but it's certainly not illegal.

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As I said before, a halfway competent lawyer would get any evidence found during your searches thrown out every time.