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Let's talk a little about cancer
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:20 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:20 pm
According to cancer.org, In 2014, there will be an estimated 1,665,540 new cancer cases diagnosed and 585,720 cancer deaths (over 1,600/day) in the US. Cancer remains the second most common cause of death in the US, accounting for nearly 1 of every 4 deaths. The United States currently ranks 6th in cancer rates behind Norway, Belgium, Australia, France and Denmark being the highest. It seems to me that despite the modernization of medicine, cleaning of water, air pollution reduction, stringent requirements for industrial waste/byproducts, cancer rates are increasing. I know sometimes we are predisposed to cancer and our eating habits, exercise habits and God knows what else which contribute to causes (besides the obvious tobacco/alcohol-related cancers).
Many of our presidents have died of heart disease (probably a side-effect of the job), but when was the last one to die from cancer? Granted, they also have the absolute best care that we couldn’t dream of having.
That brings me to my next point. All of the advances in medicine, technology, stem cells, using viruses to help us, etc still don’t yield a “cure” for cancer. Cancer is a hundreds of billions dollar business for our economy. Could we as a country afford a cure for cancer? Beyond medical treatment, think of death taxes, estate taxes, costs for funerals, and all of the above and how it stimulates the economy.
My thoughts are that we have a cure for cancer. Those with power have access, those who don’t, don’t.
What say you?
Many of our presidents have died of heart disease (probably a side-effect of the job), but when was the last one to die from cancer? Granted, they also have the absolute best care that we couldn’t dream of having.
That brings me to my next point. All of the advances in medicine, technology, stem cells, using viruses to help us, etc still don’t yield a “cure” for cancer. Cancer is a hundreds of billions dollar business for our economy. Could we as a country afford a cure for cancer? Beyond medical treatment, think of death taxes, estate taxes, costs for funerals, and all of the above and how it stimulates the economy.
My thoughts are that we have a cure for cancer. Those with power have access, those who don’t, don’t.
What say you?
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Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:21 pm to FenrirTheBeard
Let's not
Not something I care to think about
Not something I care to think about
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:21 pm to Walt OReilly
quote:
Let's not
Not something I care to think about
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:21 pm to FenrirTheBeard
quote:
Many of our presidents have died of heart disease (probably a side-effect of the job), but when was the last one to die from cancer?
there haven't been that many
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:22 pm to FenrirTheBeard
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My thoughts are that we have a cure for cancer. Those with power have access, those who don’t, don’t.
Didn't Steve Jobs die from cancer? He was pretty powerful.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:22 pm to Walt OReilly
is your oral cancer back?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:25 pm to FenrirTheBeard
Since most cases are developed later in life, would the increase life expediency answer for some of these increased cases?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:25 pm to FenrirTheBeard
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:25 pm to FenrirTheBeard
I hate to make light of the topic but it reminds me of a funny story. There were a string of radio ads a while back featuring Jeff Foxworthy. The first one I heard, when I didn't know what was coming, literally made me bust out laughing IRL. It went something like this:
"Hi, I'm Jeff Foxworthy. You may remember me from funny jokes such as 'if your thanksgiving dinner is ruined by running out of ketchup, you might be a redneck'. But let me tell you what's not funny....childhood cancer."
It was like ease up jeff.
"Hi, I'm Jeff Foxworthy. You may remember me from funny jokes such as 'if your thanksgiving dinner is ruined by running out of ketchup, you might be a redneck'. But let me tell you what's not funny....childhood cancer."
It was like ease up jeff.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:26 pm to LSUvegasbombed
yes im sure the gubment will withold a cure for cancer to make money and allow people to die
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:26 pm to Walt OReilly
quote:
Let's not
Not something I care to think about
Exactly what I thought when I read the thread title.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:27 pm to FenrirTheBeard
Cancer is a completely random event. And since it is random there is no cure for cancer only treatments. There are indicators that may suggest that you could get it but they aren't always right, or you may have no indicators and get it. Our current treatments target cells that replicate at a higher rate than other cells, but there are other cells in our body that rapidly divide which become causalities of the cancer treatment. So you essentially kill the body to save the body. Some people can handle the treatment and some can't.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 1:32 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:31 pm to oleyeller
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yes im sure the gubment will withold a cure for cancer to make money and allow people to die
Sarcasm?
I know it's a sensitive topic, but it's a very real aspect of life. Figure I'd get some opinions.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:33 pm to pointdog33
quote:
Cancer is a completely random event. And since it is random there is no cure for cancer only treatments. There are indicators that may suggest that you could get it but they aren't always right, or you may have no indicators and get it. Our current treatments target cells that replicate at a higher rate than other cells, but they are other cells in our body that rapidly divide which become causalities of the cancer treatment. So you essentially kill the body to save the body. Some people can handle the treatment and some can't.
Take it from someone who has been going through this for three years, this is the best way to explain it. I have the best insurance, so can't say i don't have the means for the cure just haven't found the right combination of treatment yet. Every person is different.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:33 pm to FenrirTheBeard
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Those with power have access, those who don’t, don’t.
I guess Steve Jobs didn't have enough power.
Idiot.
Your example, rooted in presidents, is explained by the fact that the key to a cure of any cancer is early detection.
Don't you think they go through routine scans and checks?
Also, they make such a small cross section of the population they don't be used to make any statistics based conclusions.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 1:37 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:36 pm to Volvagia
Seeing how caner is a random mutation, I wonder when we'll get a form of caner that is beneficial.
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:38 pm to Darth_Vader
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Seeing how caner is a random mutation, I wonder when we'll get a form of caner that is beneficial.
Don't be obtuse.
Some mutations are good, some bad, most neither.
Cancer is an example of a product of a bad one.
This post was edited on 4/21/14 at 1:39 pm
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:40 pm to Volvagia
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Don't be obtuse.
Some mutations are good, some bad, most neither.
Cancer is an example of a product of a bad one.
How am I being obtuse?
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:41 pm to Darth_Vader
Your angle of argument is greater than 90 degrees
Posted on 4/21/14 at 1:42 pm to FenrirTheBeard
quote:the short answer
My thoughts are that we have a cure for cancer. Those with power have access, those who don’t, don’t.
What say you?
at best you are completely wrong and uninformed
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