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re: Latest Updates: Russia-Ukraine Conflict
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:19 pm to PoppedRiser
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:19 pm to PoppedRiser
Key Points from Ushakov on Putin–Trump Call:
– Putin and Trump spoke for 2 hours and 5 minutes.
– This was their third conversation since Trump took office.
– The Ukraine issue was discussed in depth, including several notable details.
– No timeline for a ceasefire was mentioned.
– The conversation was personal and candid, with both addressing each other by first name and frequently diverging from the script.
– They discussed a mutual prisoner exchange: 9 Russian citizens for 9 Americans.
– Both agreed on the need to normalize U.S.–Russia relations.
– The Ukraine conflict and settlement process were a major focus.
– Putin acknowledged Trump’s positive role in getting Kiev back to the negotiating table.
– Trump said he sees Russia as a key U.S. trade and economic partner once the Ukraine situation is resolved.
– They agreed to continue their dialogue on all issues, including Ukraine.
– No date or location has been set for a future in-person meeting.
– Ushakov highlighted the unusually long duration of the call, noting that neither leader wanted to end the conversation.
– Putin and Trump spoke for 2 hours and 5 minutes.
– This was their third conversation since Trump took office.
– The Ukraine issue was discussed in depth, including several notable details.
– No timeline for a ceasefire was mentioned.
– The conversation was personal and candid, with both addressing each other by first name and frequently diverging from the script.
– They discussed a mutual prisoner exchange: 9 Russian citizens for 9 Americans.
– Both agreed on the need to normalize U.S.–Russia relations.
– The Ukraine conflict and settlement process were a major focus.
– Putin acknowledged Trump’s positive role in getting Kiev back to the negotiating table.
– Trump said he sees Russia as a key U.S. trade and economic partner once the Ukraine situation is resolved.
– They agreed to continue their dialogue on all issues, including Ukraine.
– No date or location has been set for a future in-person meeting.
– Ushakov highlighted the unusually long duration of the call, noting that neither leader wanted to end the conversation.
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Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:25 pm to PoppedRiser
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Jokes aside, you're showing your naivete and ignorance thinking this war started in 2022. It has been going on since 2014. Nobody coveted anyone, Russia just wanted to protect their military base and huge oil/gas piplines there. Every sober person knew if Ukraine fell into a civil war position Russia was gonna make a move.
I get this perspective, but I also think the distinction between 2014-2022 and 2022- present needs to be made and is important. For all this talk of it being an "active war" before 2022, I don't really believe that Ukraine would have tried to ever retake Crimea or anything unless Russia was completely falling apart at the seams and it would have been easy.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:27 pm to John Barron
For such a long conversation, based on those points they didn't accomplish a whole lot of substance re:Ukraine. But just talking in general between any of the opposition parties involved is good.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:28 pm to PoppedRiser
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Once that dries up, Putin will rest his wrinkled nuts on Zelensky's forehead and Ukraine is finished as a country that existed from 1991-2014.
How far will Russia's production of crude oil drop without Western involvement? Russians have next to no efficiency in drilling construction and maintenance. It's difficult to find enough Russians to bolt up two flanges together properly. Your drilling crews take over 5X as long as a Western drilling crew for the same task with the same equipment. Sure you can find competent labor Moscow but that labor won't work where the need is.
Even the Ice Class processes of Sakhalin Island were made in the fabrication yards of Morgan City, Louisiana, including the offshore ice class drilling platform and jacket.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 3:30 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:30 pm to VolSquatch
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I get this perspective, but I also think the distinction between 2014-2022 and 2022- present needs to be made and is important. For all this talk of it being an "active war" before 2022, I don't really believe that Ukraine would have tried to ever retake Crimea or anything unless Russia was completely falling apart at the seams and it would have been easy.
The war wasn’t just conducted in Crimea. There was fighting in the Donbas. Ukraine was trying to take it back.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:31 pm to John Barron
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:34 pm to VolSquatch
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I get this perspective, but I also think the distinction between 2014-2022 and 2022- present needs to be made and is important. For all this talk of it being an "active war" before 2022, I don't really believe that Ukraine would have tried to ever retake Crimea or anything unless Russia was completely falling apart at the seams and it would have been easy.
If I recall there were Ukrainian talks of renewing offensive on Dontesk regions, they were continuously bombing Donbas, which was a big thorn in Putin's side domestically-he's built his image on being a decisive protector of all Russia, so it made him look weak. It was being perceived as Ukrainian nationalists bombing ethnic Russian rebels and big bad Vlad is sitting idly by tweedling his thumbs.
I think having Zelensky for President really didn't help the situation. The little cokehead really has no filter or decorum to conduct himself in any negotiations. I don't think it was a key element, but it sure didn't help like what we've seen in the oval office.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 3:36 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:35 pm to doubleb
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Ukraine was trying to take it back.
Even Ukraine called it an anti-Terrorist operation
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:36 pm to John Barron
The Chinese have Russia over a barrel (pun intended), I wonder at what price?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:36 pm to doubleb
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The war wasn’t just conducted in Crimea. There was fighting in the Donbas. Ukraine was trying to take it back.
You're actually right, for once. And was that a smart move in retrospect?
Posted on 5/19/25 at 3:45 pm to doubleb
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The Chinese have Russia over a barrel
How do you figure? They have a no limit partnership now. Rumors on Telegram that China wants Russia to allow it to use its new SS-UAV swarm drone on the Ukraine border since we use the MQ-9 Reaper in the Black Sea for Intel gathering
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Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:05 pm to PoppedRiser
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Now we're getting somewhere. It's about using Ukraine as a cannon fodder and a live shield for neocon/globohomo agenda. Don't conflate West with neocon/globohomo.
Just by looking at the defense economics, that signals one thing. I have no idea what you are on about here.
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You're delusional. I don't like 'vote blue no matter who cult". In fact, I think there are irrevocable differences between MAGA and current D party, like civil war type differences.
Lol. Go grab your gun then dude.
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And yes, our military is a fricking joke and it hasn't seen any actual full scale engagement since Iraq, which showed that our population can't tolerate 5,000 soldier deaths before political mood switches to anti-war.
The political mood among the demographic that was fighting the war was always anti-war. You realize that there were large-scale protests, some of the largest in human history, against the war, right? And the political mood switched long before there were even 1000 deaths. The US never averaged more than 150 deaths a month, over four years of data. What changed the mood was when it was clear that the US administration lied about the scale of the WMD program.
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If you think for a second if US won't invade a country where we have our military base and that much invested in, let alone a country that's on our literal doorstep, you don't know anything about geopolitics.
We would do it much better. We are far better at logistics than any other military. We wouldn't be bogged down for 3 years. Cope.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:08 pm to VolSquatch
The Russian ruling elite is closer to the MENA oil dictatorships than it is anything resembling a modern state. The thought of Kadyrov in power can't make the Russian nationalists happy though.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:08 pm to crazy4lsu
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We would do it much better. We are far better at logistics than any other military. We wouldn't be bogged down for 3 years. Cope.
No, we bogged down for 15 in Iraq and 20 in Afghanistan and let Taliban take everything and let China get the landing base. You're an absolute troll. No point talking to you, you're not debating in good faith.
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Just by looking at the defense economics, that signals one thing. I have no idea what you are on about here.
More Kambucha style word salad from you.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 4:10 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:17 pm to PoppedRiser
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No, we bogged down for 15 in Iraq and 20 in Afghanistan
Those were COIN operations for long periods, which are fundamentally different than what is going on in Ukraine right now. And we always had air superiority. You realize different things are different right?
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More Kambucha style word salad from you.
As opposed to using the word 'globohomo' unironically? It just means that everyone is spending on their defense as well as reorganizing their militaries. Germany, Poland, France, and the UK (among others) are all in the midst of rearmament and reorganization programmes. Finland is building defensive fortifications. Estonia is testing Russian resolve in the Baltics. This isn't even an exhaustive list of all the things going on.
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You're an absolute troll. No point talking to you, you're not debating in good faith.
Yeah dude, you are definitely losing 20 sq km of ground each time you open your mouth. Dumbass.
You are giving me BrianKellyRespecter vibes.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 4:19 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:18 pm to PoppedRiser
The NAFO Trolls are not taking the phone call well 
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Estonia is testing Russian resolve in the Baltic
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If tweet fails to load, click here.Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:28 pm to John Barron
Instead of posting Twitter links, why don't you think about what the effort means. Sound it out for a bit and figure out the geopolitical ramifications. You can work slowly if you can little dude.
This post was edited on 5/19/25 at 8:28 pm
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:35 pm to PoppedRiser
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I think having Zelensky for President really didn't help the situation. The little cokehead really has no filter or decorum to conduct himself in any negotiations. I don't think it was a key element, but it sure didn't help like what we've seen in the oval office.
Zekensky became president of Ukraine in May of 2019. The war was five years old.
Posted on 5/19/25 at 4:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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Yeah dude, you are definitely losing 20 sq km of ground each time you open your mouth. Dumbass. You are giving me BrianKellyRespecter vibes.
You make Kumalah sound articulate.
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Those were COIN operations for long periods, which are fundamentally different than what is going on in Ukraine right now. And we always had air superiority. You realize different things are different right?
Air superiority against cave dwellers?
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