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Largest Tank Battle in History Did Happen on the Eastern Front in WWII, But not at Kursk

Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:01 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:01 am
It happened at Brody in June 1941. And the Germans annihilated a far larger Soviet force in the process, albeit at a heavy price.

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The Battle of Brody (other names in use include Battle of Dubna, Battle of Dubno, Battle of Rovne, Battle of Rovne-Brody) was a tank battle fought between the 1st Panzer Group's III Army Corps and XLVIII Army Corps (Motorized) and five mechanized corps of the Soviet 5th Army and 6th Army in the triangle formed by the towns Dubno, Lutsk, and Brody between 23 and 30 June 1941. It is known in Soviet historiography as a part of the "border defensive battles". Although the Red Army formations inflicted heavy losses on the German forces, they were outmanoeuvred and suffered enormous losses in tanks. Poor Soviet logistics, German air supremacy as well as a total breakdown in Red Army command and control ensured victory for the Wehrmacht despite overwhelming Red Army numerical and technological superiority.



Panzer Mk. III of the Wehrmacht's 13th Panzer Div.


Knocked out Soviet T26 tanks of the Red Army's 19th Tank Division.
(Shortly after Brody, the Soviets dissolved what few tank divisions they had and instead concentrated their tanks into brigades that would be assigned to Armored corps)


German troops examine abandoned Soviet BT-7 tank.


German soldier approaches dead Soviet soldier next to a burning Soviet BT-5 tank.


Knocked out Soviet T-34.



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Posted by Tactical1
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:03 am to
Nothing compared to the Battle of Schrute Farm.
This post was edited on 10/3/17 at 9:04 am
Posted by udtiger
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:03 am to
Bet this gives you a tanker stiffy.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:06 am to
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Bet this gives you a tanker stiffy.


I prefer the term "freedom boner".
Posted by Mstate
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:09 am to
Being burned alive inside a tank does not seem like an ideal way to go.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:11 am to
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Being burned alive inside a tank does not seem like an ideal way to go.





Why do you think we were all issued a .9mm pistol as our sidearm?
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:11 am to
Much better to be burned alive in the open air on a pleasant sunny day in spring
Posted by X123F45
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:13 am to
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Knocked out Soviet T-34.


Awesome tank.
Posted by FCP
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:31 am to
History board?
Posted by alajones
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:34 am to
WTF were the Germans thinking?

They could’ve absolutely dominated the rest of Europe. Hitler had his eyes on the Russian breadbasket. What a bunch of dumbasses.
Posted by Beessnax
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:34 am to
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History board?



Would be awesome.... Do we have one already?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:39 am to
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Knocked out Soviet T-34.


Awesome tank.


Early on it totally outclassed anything the Germans had. But as the Germans introduced first long barreled 7.5 cm Pz. Mk. IV and later on the Tiger and Panther, not to mention the Stug III, the T-34 was itself outclassed. Really past late 1942, it's only redeeming quality was reliability and massive numbers. But one on one, tank against tank, it was no match for what the Germans could hurl at it.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:40 am to
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"freedom boner"
I got a freedom boner reading about the tank battles between the US and Iraqis.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:43 am to
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I got a freedom boner reading about the tank battles between the US and Iraqis.


Does that make me a porn star seeing how I was there?
Posted by SamuelClemens
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:44 am to
In Russian History class at the University of Moscow exchange program they called it The Battle of Rovne-Brody
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:44 am to
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Does that make me a porn star seeing how I was there?

Why'd you have to make it weird?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:44 am to
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Why'd you have to make it weird?


You're welcome.
Posted by StrongBackWeakMind
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:45 am to


Fish in a barrel.
Posted by SamuelClemens
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 9:45 am to
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They could’ve absolutely dominated the rest of Europe. Hitler had his eyes on the Russian breadbasket. What a bunch of dumbasses.


He wanted to one up Napoleon and didn't heed the historical message
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 10/3/17 at 10:31 am to
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He wanted to one up Napoleon and didn't heed the historical message



You're correct. But you've also got to look at the situation from the standpoint of what Hitler saw then. He knew the Red Army had just gone through a huge purge where it's officer corps was virtually wiped clean. Most of the senior leaders of the Red Army were dead or in the Gulags. He also knew there was intense hatred of the Communist in the Baltics and in Ukraine.

And on top of all this, Hitler had the example of WWI fresh on his mind. Everyone mentions how Hitler failed to learn the lessons of Napoleon's invasion of Russia. But they fail to also remember he had, at that time, a far more recent example of war against Russia, namely the war Germany and Austria fought against Russia from 1914 to 1917. And in that war, which Hitler personally took part in, Russia was not just defeated, it totally collapsed. So from his own personal perspective, the idea of inflicting a major military defeat on Russia that brought about its complete collapse was not just feesable, it had in fact already been done once. And Germany had done it all while also fighting another war in Western Europe at the same time. So by this logic, if Germany could crush Russia and cause it to collapse in 1917 all while also fighting a major front in France, why now in 1941 could she not do it again, especially considering this time around there was not viable Western Front to speak of?
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