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re: Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:15 pm to Redbone
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:15 pm to Redbone
Yeah
He turned SW to hit the 101 to Thousand Oaks
Probably ran into fog, dropped down to find the highway for VFR and clipped a mountain
Whole thing probably happened in seconds
Alarms were probably screaming in his ears while he was blind
Big hills and low mountains in that area
Clipped a mountain top and went straight into the ravine at 155 knots
RIP
He turned SW to hit the 101 to Thousand Oaks
Probably ran into fog, dropped down to find the highway for VFR and clipped a mountain
Whole thing probably happened in seconds
Alarms were probably screaming in his ears while he was blind
Big hills and low mountains in that area
Clipped a mountain top and went straight into the ravine at 155 knots
RIP
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Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:16 pm to 777Tiger
quote:Hell no. I don't have even close to that much. That's why I'm asking questions.
13 weeks under your belt and you're an aviation expert, hah!
I'm trying to understand the last pare of that video. Pilots actions suddenly seem to be different TO ME.
Radio contact and movements and then suddenly just before the end the chopper is moving what seems to be pretty fast while tower is trying to figger out what he is doing.
Something went wrong obviously. I am tryin to understand that last little part.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:18 pm to supatigah
quote:Thank ya so much.
supatigah
That is what I was lookin for.
RIP is right.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:19 pm to 777Tiger
quote:
I stand by my statement, you've got no clue as to what goes on in the takeoff/landing phase of our operation
Pray tell what you understand about flying a helicopter in the mountains in the fog. Pretty sure you should just be quiet.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:23 pm to choppadocta
quote:Thanks.
choppadocta
777 is wrong. He gives me too much credit.
I wasn't a airport fireman.
I help load sick people into Acadian Ambulance choppers and occasionally take a tour in one while on vacation.
That's it.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:23 pm to Redbone
I fly that area regularly, terrain rises quickly from a valley, and gets to pretty decent heights. Directly about 5 -10 miles inland off the ocean with pretty decent fog on the west/typicial windward side of some decent sized mountains. AKA the Santa Monica mountains. It holds the fog in tight. Temps in those mountains are in the low 40's so fog is a norm. Vis this morning was garbage 1/4 mile @ my local airport about 50 miles away, fog from San Diego to Ventura. Where he transitioned he went from a city valley and into those hills right towards malibu.
This post was edited on 1/26/20 at 11:25 pm
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:24 pm to MikeD
quote:
Pray tell what you understand about flying a helicopter in the mountains in the fog.
after accumulating about 30,000 hours of flying time, much of which was in mountainous terrain, many times at low level and speeds approaching 850 knots, many other times in airline operations, "pray tell" I think I have the expertise to opine in this thread
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:25 pm to MikeD
I gotta admit, he was being kinda nasty to me but I kinda know how arrogant jet jockies can be. I have a few in the family. I don't let them get under my skin.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:27 pm to 777Tiger
quote:HUMMMMM... not exactly helo type of flying!
many times at low level and speeds approaching 850 knots,
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:28 pm to Redbone
Single pilot, not following policy, collision alarms screaming, BIG HILLS all around in front of you and blind in the fog is a recipe for disaster
Of course it is crass to say this but if that is what happened he should have pulled up, slowed down and contacted the new ATC for a revised flight plan. Probably went from VFR to IFR in an instant and didn’t adjust his altitude
I wonder if they were running late, he flew by dodger stadium, then hung out by the la zoo for a while until they cleared him around Burbank airport, then he went west on the 118 and then SW to the 101. When you get away from the Hollywood Hills and get closer to the coast the terrain rises and there is more chance of fog off the pacific sitting on the hills around calabassas
Of course it is crass to say this but if that is what happened he should have pulled up, slowed down and contacted the new ATC for a revised flight plan. Probably went from VFR to IFR in an instant and didn’t adjust his altitude
I wonder if they were running late, he flew by dodger stadium, then hung out by the la zoo for a while until they cleared him around Burbank airport, then he went west on the 118 and then SW to the 101. When you get away from the Hollywood Hills and get closer to the coast the terrain rises and there is more chance of fog off the pacific sitting on the hills around calabassas
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:28 pm to Redbone
quote:
he was being kinda nasty to me
I apologize for that, I've just really heard some stupid, asinine comments from 18-20 year old arf guys that are cocky, not a bad thing, but clueless- bad thing
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:28 pm to CalCajun
quote:Thx.
CalCajun
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:29 pm to Redbone
quote:
not exactly helo type of flying!
no, but acutely aware of avoiding the dirt, senses a little more keen than at helo speeds
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:30 pm to 777Tiger
quote:It's all good.
I apologize for that,
I'm too friggin old to get upset over the written word.
I'm 71 and clueless.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:31 pm to 777Tiger
quote:That cracked me up.
acutely aware of avoiding the dirt,
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:32 pm to Redbone
quote:
I'm 71
right behind you
quote:
and clueless.
I've caught up with you
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:34 pm to Redbone
Dont mind the meat servo.
Q: What's the difference between a fighter pilot and God? A: God doesn't think He's a fighter pilot.
Q: Whats the difference between a jet engine and a pilot? A: At the end of the flight the jet engine stops whining.
Q: What's the difference between a fighter pilot and God? A: God doesn't think He's a fighter pilot.
Q: Whats the difference between a jet engine and a pilot? A: At the end of the flight the jet engine stops whining.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:35 pm to 777Tiger
Interesting in the YouTube of the ATC chatter, he was SFVR until the second handoff when he said he was VFR
So he probably was SVFR then VFR after Burbank when the air cleared then suddenly IFR between the second and third handoff. He was too low to communicate, probably distracted by the fog and collision alarms and didn’t pull up and slow down In time
So he probably was SVFR then VFR after Burbank when the air cleared then suddenly IFR between the second and third handoff. He was too low to communicate, probably distracted by the fog and collision alarms and didn’t pull up and slow down In time
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:36 pm to supatigah
quote:Good stuff. I don't place blame. That's for investigators but with the video info I got curious to understand what I was looking at.
Of course it is crass to say this
Interesting to me even if a bit morbid. I see how it could happen though.
Posted on 1/26/20 at 11:37 pm to choppadocta
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