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re: JBE drops the hammer
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:38 am to TigerstuckinMS
Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:38 am to TigerstuckinMS
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Good luck getting a constitutional convention together to change that when all the people who benefit from protected expenditures have enough money to torpedo any convention that might kill their golden goose.
Is it that hard to change the state constitution? Seems like amendments are added to it every year via ballot.
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Posted on 4/13/16 at 12:43 am to biglego
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Wouldn't be anything miraculous about it. There's no college course that is anything like the ACT.
A 26 is roughly 80th percentile. Why should Louisiana taxpayers have to foot the bill for someone who can't score in the top 20% of a test with basic math, science, reading and English?
Look at it this way, would you be upset if an insurance company didn't want to cover a person who had been in 3 or 4 wrecks? Sure they might be a good driver and it may not have been completely their fault they got in those wrecks, but are they going to take that risk just because the guy might be a good driver?
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PrideofTheSEC
I still don't know who you are
STA prepared us pretty well for the ACT, you can't deny that. If you did what you were supposed to you'd probably hit ~24 without studying.Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:16 am to magildachunks
A lot of people worked their way through college, joined the military to earn the GI Bill or took out student loans to invest in their again their education. Yes, students who did well in high school and on their ACT did receive grants or scholarships.
Reality is when you become an adult you should find a way to invest in your own education, tax payers should not pay the bill!
Don't give people grief that you are poor! Many people grew up poor or lower middle class and earned their degrees without "Tops" which is student welfare!!!!
Reality is when you become an adult you should find a way to invest in your own education, tax payers should not pay the bill!
Don't give people grief that you are poor! Many people grew up poor or lower middle class and earned their degrees without "Tops" which is student welfare!!!!
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 5:21 am
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:31 am to johnnyrocket
Well, I made a 29 and if not for tops I wouldn't have gone to college. Take that FWIW.
Couldn't get grants because my parents made too much money (but didn't pay anything for my education), federal loans don't go far, school's expensive when you're earning the money while enrolled. I would have either joined the military or started loading rail cars the day I finished high school if not for TOPS.
Couldn't get grants because my parents made too much money (but didn't pay anything for my education), federal loans don't go far, school's expensive when you're earning the money while enrolled. I would have either joined the military or started loading rail cars the day I finished high school if not for TOPS.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:34 am to SlowFlowPro
You are right bro. Louisiana's workforce is too educated. We need more barriers (such as cost) preventing people from getting an education
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:35 am to foj1981
Nice. If this doesn't show that he is a bi-partisan governor and puts Louisiana first, I don't know what will.
Most of the 'disenfranchised' will be the democrat voting base.
This should have happened long ago.
Most of the 'disenfranchised' will be the democrat voting base.
This should have happened long ago.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:35 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Loading rail cars may have been a better deal!
For some people
For some people
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:35 am to foj1981
Id rather see the act drop down to 24 but cap the payouts. Keep the school from just jacking rates every year.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:36 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Couldn't get grants because my parents made too much money (but didn't pay anything for my education),
Holee sheeit! This hit close to home. Are you sure you're not my alter-ego?
Thought I was the only post HS bastard child in the world for a minute. Damn sure a hard road to tow.
Better off being poor in that case, in that at least you qualify for some kind of help . Just wow
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:38 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I would have either joined the military or started loading rail cars the day I finished high school if not for TOPS.
You mean to say you would have done what most people did to pay for tuition before TOPS? Poor baby. There is nothing wrong with the military or loading railcars.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:38 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Well, I made a 29
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my parents made too much money (but didn't pay anything for my education),
That's rough. If my kid made a 29, I'd do everything I could to help them pursue higher education.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:39 am to Macintosh
quote:. Why he cut into the profits of his constituents and family
Should just legalize weed but I guess that's to obvious of a thing to do
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:40 am to thejudge
All depends on how easy it is to make a 24. Been a long time since I took an SAT or ACT, but raising it to 26+ seems a good way to separate the posers from the serious students.
I do think it's total shite that students whose parents make "too much" are denied meaningful assistance. Seems to be one more example of penalizing success.
I do think it's total shite that students whose parents make "too much" are denied meaningful assistance. Seems to be one more example of penalizing success.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:55 am to seeinspots
Yea, because in state tuition+fees+books was $6k+ semester back in your day and gas was $4 a gallon.
But, I didn't make that post to bitch, I'm just stating that without TOPS, I would have been in a blue collar job and somebody with a 29 ACT score (who would eventually end up with an engineering degree and a good career) would not have gone to college. The program isn't a complete failure as I've already paid back well beyond what the state invested in me in income tax. To say I costed the state money is hillarious.
ETA: Actually now that I think about it, I haven't quite paid it all back yet. It's getting close though.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 6:01 am
Posted on 4/13/16 at 5:57 am to tigerinthebueche
That part makes sense. There's no way you could keep people honest on how much their parents helped them out. They'd suck that tit dry in a hurry.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:16 am to Srbtiger06
quote:This is 100% wrong.
The original intent was to cover low-income over-achieving students. That isn't the case now.
The intent of TOPs was to keep decent students in LA colleges and stop the unbelievable brain drain occurring in the 80's & 90's. Using funds from a multi-billion oil royalty fund that the Feds had been illegally taking.
Later the legislature STUPIDLY gave the colleges the right to raise tuition every year. Originally, the legislature would raise it only within actuarily solid boundaries that would not put TOPs on shaky footing.
Then the US government became the supplier of unlimited student loans, allowing higher education basically unfettered ability to raise prices that the student loans would pay.
That is another house of cards about to collapse.
Meanwhile kids got sent to private school with funds that would have been set aside for college.
Changing the rules midstream is wrong. This governor & F King need to be replaced by more intelligent, resourceful people at the next opportunity.
The state treasurer himself says there was no need for any of this and the money is available without any tax hikes.
It's just not the way Edwards wants to handle the state finances. Crazy.
This post was edited on 4/13/16 at 6:18 am
Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:29 am to GeauxTigers123
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Will this be retroactive?
Will a kid with say a 24 on the ACT who is a Junior at LSU lose his tops?
Of course. And those already graduated with have their degrees revoked.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 6:56 am to PrideofTheSEC
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I don't think Loranger high has that many people making 26's
It certainly doesn't and that was the exact point of my earlier posts.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:03 am to member12
I completly support raising the pitifully low TOPS requirements (won't affect my kids). It was started and initially funded by Patrick Taylor to slow the "brain drain" from Louisiana of the best and brightest HS kids. The current levels of eligibility are reaching well below what I'm sure he had in mind.
That said, anyone surprised by JBE fear mongering, badgering and threats to get more and more money into his spending little hands had to have been clueless about who and what he was. People were so worried about where Vitter's pecker had been that they bought into the West Point family man charade, and didn't notice that JBE's chair in the legislature sat on the far left hand side of the legislature. He got a lower grade from business groups than any single member of the Black Caucus. He is being mentored by Mawmaw Blanco and Coach and is likely going to eclipse her as the most horrible governor of most of our lifetimes. Whatever personal feelings people had about Vitter, those folks outside the Democratic block vote that put JBE in office will rue the day they pulled the wrong lever.
That said, anyone surprised by JBE fear mongering, badgering and threats to get more and more money into his spending little hands had to have been clueless about who and what he was. People were so worried about where Vitter's pecker had been that they bought into the West Point family man charade, and didn't notice that JBE's chair in the legislature sat on the far left hand side of the legislature. He got a lower grade from business groups than any single member of the Black Caucus. He is being mentored by Mawmaw Blanco and Coach and is likely going to eclipse her as the most horrible governor of most of our lifetimes. Whatever personal feelings people had about Vitter, those folks outside the Democratic block vote that put JBE in office will rue the day they pulled the wrong lever.
Posted on 4/13/16 at 7:10 am to foj1981
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TOPS ...... Minimum ACT 26
Stupid that it was ever so low to begin with. Basically giving scholarships away to "C" students.
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