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re: January 1, 2025: Multiple casualties on Bourbon Street after terrorist attack..
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:57 pm to fightin tigers
Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:57 pm to fightin tigers
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Do what you want. I have never walked onto Bourbon, into Times Square, into and NFL stadium, or got on a plane thinking "ain't no risk here"
Cool, I’ve done the same shite on the streets of Libya and Afghanistan. You never prevent all risk. You do mitigate it as much as possible.
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Posted on 1/5/25 at 7:58 pm to DCtiger1
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Again with the bullshite. I asked if you’d do nothing, I
Probably.
Alarm. Yep
Cameras. Yep.
Doors locked. Yep.
What else you want me to do? Hire private security and former Mossad?
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:00 pm to fightin tigers
If you didn’t have any of those measures in place, just as bourbon had nothing in place.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:01 pm to Titsbywilly
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:04 pm to DCtiger1
Bourbon had stuff in place, just not enough.
They arent/weren't setup for a terrorist attack.
Will promise you they won't be setup for a terrorist attack on a regular Tuesday.
Same way 95% of public targets aren't setup to defend against a terrorist on a Tuesday.
The next place that gets hit with a similar terrorist attack is not protecting themselves enough, no one is pointing those spots out right now.
No, I am not going to stage my house to withstand a terrorist plot.
They arent/weren't setup for a terrorist attack.
Will promise you they won't be setup for a terrorist attack on a regular Tuesday.
Same way 95% of public targets aren't setup to defend against a terrorist on a Tuesday.
The next place that gets hit with a similar terrorist attack is not protecting themselves enough, no one is pointing those spots out right now.
No, I am not going to stage my house to withstand a terrorist plot.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:05 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:07 pm to fightin tigers
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The next place that gets hit with a similar terrorist attack is not protecting themselves enough, no one is pointing those spots out right now.
I can assure you they are. DHS in coordination with city and state coordination are constantly looking at risk mitigation and hardening of targets.
They knew this was a weakness that could be exploited for years. They were lucky it hadn’t happened sooner.
Again, if your house was broken into and you had no security system, no cameras, you’d do nothing and just say frick it right?
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Bourbon had stuff in place, just not enough.
okay This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:08 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:09 pm to DCtiger1
Go look at Nashville. If DHS is on this then we got problems. Their protections at midnight were marginally better, if better at all.
And Nashville shutdown their main drag, Bourbon is a secondary location on NYE.
And Nashville shutdown their main drag, Bourbon is a secondary location on NYE.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:11 pm to fightin tigers
Broadway has sidewalk bollards installed and is already looking at additional measures. They’ve admitted they have weaknesses that can be exploited.
No one is suggesting they want to live this way. Unfortunately it is the way we are forced to adapt unless we are willing to not be PC and do what’s needed.
fricking football teams watch tape and learn tendencies and learn from their mistakes. Does that prevent a loss, a sack or a big play? No, but they do it to try to mitigate mistakes and eliminate some risk.
No one is suggesting they want to live this way. Unfortunately it is the way we are forced to adapt unless we are willing to not be PC and do what’s needed.
fricking football teams watch tape and learn tendencies and learn from their mistakes. Does that prevent a loss, a sack or a big play? No, but they do it to try to mitigate mistakes and eliminate some risk.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:14 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:14 pm to fightin tigers
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I'm just saying you are pushing to make sure this one single thing doesn't happen again. Like that is some great win. No one will enter Canal down Bourbon on NYD 2025 again. WE GOT THEM!!
No one is doing that.
You are making up things to be angry about.
Let’s be real- if the top 5 symbolic targets in Nola are reasonably secured, maybe this guy sits in his Airbnb and chickens out. Maybe he only gets a block and most of the people are saved. Maybe he just doesn’t make it back to Nola for a return trip and who knows what’s next but selfishly I’m not wondering about my own friends and family being dead.
I’m under no illusion my home is 100% safe but I sure do have good lighting in the front, a security sign and some cameras a solid deadbolt and a couple of loud dogs…. Hopefully the person passing by thinking about his options just goes all the way home, but I’m surely going to make it unappealing to use my house as his target.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:15 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:14 pm to DCtiger1
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Unfortunately it is the way we are forced to adapt unless we are willing to not be PC and do what’s needed
Root Cause Analysis....
Until you address the root cause you leave yourself open to the cause.
But go ahead and kill yourself restricting yourself until you cant move. I'm not going to wait until we address the root cause to live my life.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:17 pm to fightin tigers
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But go ahead and kill yourself restricting yourself until you cant move.
How in the hell is anything being suggested restrict you in any way?
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I'm not going to wait until we address the root cause to live my life.
Neither is anyone else, so what the frick are you arguing?
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:18 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:17 pm to fightin tigers
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But go ahead and kill yourself restricting yourself until you cant move. I'm not going to wait until we address the root cause to live my life.
It’s wild.
The measures suggested have been incredibly mild and totally non restrictive.
There’s been no call for incredible and invasive security measures.
Some light commentary that those things that block traffic weren’t deployed effectively is all.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:18 pm to DCtiger1
Nothing. You got it. Bollards will stop terrorism.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:20 pm to fightin tigers
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Nothing. You got it. Bollards will stop terrorism.
Again with the bullshite. No one said that. Dense motherfricker
Does it piss you off when states change building codes in the wake of major storms? We shouldn’t build back stronger and more resilient right? We should just say frick it we won’t get another storm here anytime soon?
How about learning from engineering failures like the walkway collapse in KC that is used as a case study on how not to build?
What about learnings from airline crashes?
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:27 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:30 pm to DCtiger1
I honestly don't know what the frick you are saying. You're just pointing out failure points that were never protected against because Bourbon Street isn't being protected against terrorism on a regular night, or even on NYE.
Tiger Stadium isn't protected against terrorism on a regular Saturday night. Hell, likely not even against Alabama.
A regular Saints game is night and day against the Super Bowl when it comes to security.
Like I said, yall are troubleshooting a past event and thinking yall have gaps others didn't see. Those gaps weren't on the list of what to protect against.
Bourbon Street WILL NOT be protected at a level to prevent terrorism every night. Just is an impossible ask.
Tiger Stadium isn't protected against terrorism on a regular Saturday night. Hell, likely not even against Alabama.
A regular Saints game is night and day against the Super Bowl when it comes to security.
Like I said, yall are troubleshooting a past event and thinking yall have gaps others didn't see. Those gaps weren't on the list of what to protect against.
Bourbon Street WILL NOT be protected at a level to prevent terrorism every night. Just is an impossible ask.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:32 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:37 pm to fightin tigers
You don’t know what I’m talking about because you live in fricking la la land and think people are saying if the street had bollards then no terrorist would be successful. Except no one is suggesting that.
Having the means to completely block the street and sidewalks against vehicle entry isn’t just for terrorist and in this instance it would’ve prevented this particular event from occurring as it occurred.
Having the means to completely block the street and sidewalks against vehicle entry isn’t just for terrorist and in this instance it would’ve prevented this particular event from occurring as it occurred.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:39 pm to fightin tigers
I came back to this thread and noticed there have been lots of new posts so I assumed some news broke about developments.
I should have known it was the OT bickering about shite everyone agrees on at some point or another.
I should have known it was the OT bickering about shite everyone agrees on at some point or another.
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:41 pm to DCtiger1
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Having the means to completely block the street and sidewalks against vehicle entry isn’t just for terrorist and in this instance it would’ve prevented this particular event from occurring as it occurred.
Yep, you would solve the obvious problem that has already past.
No way he could think his way around the problem. Like wait 4 hours for the street to be just as packed with UGA patrons. Or go down 3 blocks where the street isn't blocked.
You are 100% right. The particular event would have been prevented.
Let's flip this 180. Say he comes in from Esplanade towards Bourbon. Everyone would be SHOCKED that Bourbon isn't protected from that end. But no one would focus that the the entrance at Canal was just as vulnerable. People would see the car and presence and just accept it. That precense has worked against attack up until this point, right?
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:45 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:44 pm to fightin tigers
are you seriously suggesting that in no part of risk mitigation in any industry do we attempt to prevent the same shite from happening again? You’re angry for no reason because no one said it would prevent terrorism, you’re just making shite up in your head
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Let's flip this 180. Say he comes in from Esplanade towards Bourbon. Everyone would be SHOCKED that Bourbon isn't protected from that end. But no one would focus that the the entrance at Canal was just as vulnerable.
Any system should be designed to protect the entire street from any egress point.
This post was edited on 1/5/25 at 8:47 pm
Posted on 1/5/25 at 8:45 pm to TDsngumbo
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should have known it was the OT bickering about shite everyone agrees on at some point or another.
You’d think everyone would agree
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