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re: Is the US military the most bloated employer?

Posted on 1/22/24 at 3:42 pm to
Posted by Sam Quint
Member since Sep 2022
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Posted on 1/22/24 at 3:42 pm to
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what beachheads are we holding these days?

it doesnt matter. the US has a large enough standing army that we COULD hold ground if the mission called for it. that is the current strategic capability of the US military, which has been determined by policy. you and many others on this thread clearly do not agree with our foreign policy and strategic capabilities, and maybe i dont either, but that isnt "bloat".

bloat in the military are the hundreds of thousands of civilians running around doing absolutely frick all like running equal opportunity programs, and sexual assault prevention programs, and family readiness programs, and victim advocacy programs, and psychological / mental health programs, and suicide awareness programs, and programs for people who that need other programs, and programs to supervise those programs, and civilian "deputy" positions at nearly every level that are supposed to offer "continuity" but really only exist to perpetually problem admire and self-justify their positions, etc etc ad nauseum.

these people come to work (sometimes) and literally do next to nothing all day. there are literally civilians that i know for a FACT dont even come to work anymore since COVID. they literally sit at home collecting a paycheck, supposedly "teleworking" (but actually unreachable almost all the time) because they are "high risk" or whatever, and it's ten times easier to just let them keep doing it than it is to fire them.

so many conservatives are willing to sacrifice tax dollars to the DOD because "support the troops" and "strong national defense", both positions that i respect to be clear, but are virtually ignorant to the fact that the DOD civilian force is a HUGE de facto welfare state in and of itself.

editing to add that we in uniform are garbage at accounting for and maintaining gear and equipment as well which has a monumental price tag attached to it. civilian employees are garbage almost across the board, but there is a complete lack of accountability at the senior officer level as well as it pertains to maintaining and accounting for equipment.
This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 3:56 pm
Posted by Sterling Archer
Member since Aug 2012
8418 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 3:56 pm to
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Is the US military the most bloated employer?
---no, the IRS is


In 2022, the IRS collected $4.9 trillion on an operating budget of $14 billion. I have to imagine it would be difficult to find any other entity that could come close to that kind of ratio.
Posted by Gee Grenouille
Member since Jul 2018
8272 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 4:49 pm to
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I think the war in Ukraine has shown that you have to have lots of bodies on the battlefield


Unless you have an enormous armed populace.
Posted by PetroBabich
Donetsk Oblast
Member since Apr 2017
5150 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 4:50 pm to
You sound like an Air Force general.
Posted by Chromdome35
Fast lane, behind a slow driver
Member since Nov 2010
8190 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 5:07 pm to
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Unless you have an enormous armed populace.


Would that enormous armed populace not also represent a lot of bodies on the battlefield? I'm not following your point unless your point is we don't need the US military to be large because we have a lot of people with guns in this country.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53540 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 5:12 pm to
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but we should have a consumption based Fair Tax,


I used to be a fan of this.

Until I saw how much of an arse kick it was on the middle class in all implementation models.

You are talking at minimum doubling your taxes, while federal programs and support shrink due to loss of revenue.

Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
4915 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 5:21 pm to
You are talking at minimum doubling your taxes, while federal programs and support shrink due to loss of revenue.
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I'll take doubling my sales taxes, if that means no more payroll taxes, and more income taxes, and receiving a monthly basic needs check (The Fair Tax) from the government.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
53540 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 5:29 pm to
No. I didn’t say doubling your sales tax.

I said doubling your taxes. Meaning federal.

The sales tax already there is state and local and would remain as such. The lowest fair tax rate I’ve seen was 30% (again, in addition to state and local), with the realistic being closer to 50%.

I would love to see what proposal you saw that had a monthly needs check. At most I’ve seen was reimbursement for taxes up to the poverty line.

In any case, it’s a net increase of taxes by a significant degree for the mid class. Meanwhile, the rich get their taxes slashed.

This post was edited on 1/22/24 at 5:31 pm
Posted by nealnan8
Atlanta
Member since Oct 2016
4915 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 5:41 pm to
I would love to see what proposal you saw that had a monthly needs check. At most I’ve seen was reimbursement for taxes up to the poverty line.
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With respect, I wonder if we are talking about completely different consumption tax plans. Then Congressman John Linder submitted the Fair Tax Plan, and he and Neal Boortz wrote the book. It does call for all Americans to receive a monthly necessities check, based on the size of your family. All of the studies cited an average (local and federal) sales tax around 27%. Would you mind providing a link to the studies that you are talking about?
Posted by BogDaHOg
Member since Aug 2023
42 posts
Posted on 1/22/24 at 5:43 pm to
It is certainly bloated, but it has to be done. Global peace is expensive. The pax americana is the greatest thing to ever happen to this planet.
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