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re: Is the idea of eternal life appealing to you?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:15 am to GetEmTigers08
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:15 am to GetEmTigers08
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If there is a God, and he is omnipresent and all-knowing, wouldn't he be understanding for the stance I took because I have an inquisitive mind and I base my reality around what I am able to learn?
This is exactly how I feel. Why would god create me to have a scientific inquisitive mind then punish me for eternity when I don't find evidence of his existence.
All while some illiterate guy in 1300 AD, before we had significant scientific discoveries, blindly followed the only book he was ever read, and he gets eternal life?
Seems like the game is rigged
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Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:16 am to i am dan
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Otherwise, eternal life will get damn boring...
Possibly...but keep this in mind. About 20 years or so ago, my great aunt died at 99. GREAT woman, really.
But in her last year or so she finally began to show signs of her mind slowing and a few days before her death she told a cousin of mine something to the effect, "You know...it sure passed by so quickly." meaning her life. All 99 years of it!
Think of your own life. I'm 47, and even though high school and college are now further away from today than they were from the day of my birth, they still feel like yesterday. I have a ton of memories, but even the bad ones are fresh and new and feel close despite being far back down the road.
I assume, if I keep my faculties, it will always feel that way. And if I do I can;t imagine simply waking up one day and saying, "Yep...I'm done." anymore so than I'd do that today, or 10 years ago...unless I was in severe pain or some other reason that would make life simply unbearable.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:18 am to WaWaWeeWa
And if you want to say, "maybe society is off course, maybe we shouldn't be heading down a road of scientific discovery"
Then why is this the most prosperous, peaceful time in the history of the world?
Then why is this the most prosperous, peaceful time in the history of the world?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:22 am to WaWaWeeWa
If God wants to punish me for being how he made me then I don't particularly want anything to do with him anyway.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:22 am to LucasP
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So what differentiates you from a clone or a replicant? Physical body? Belief system? Past experiences?
I actually think about this alot as it's a topic I love.
I think people tend to forget that the reason they think uploading your thoughts and memories seem like a way to live on is that they are dying when they do it.
But...what if you did it today? What if instead of YOU dying after the procedure and the clone being turned on with all your memories, etc you BOTH woke up?
Which one is you? You're still you obviously, and the other one THINKS it's you, but it can't be because you are still there, right? You've just made a copy...but the original is still the original.
My point is, this is a great way of preserving intelligence (what if we could clone Newton, for instance?) or creativity or talents, etc...but it's only really good for everyone BUT the person being cloned. Because that individual stopped existing upon death.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:24 am to i am dan
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:29 am to Peazey
He didn't make you a sinner. He tells you to be just like him. When you choose to sin, it's your fault. We ain't perfect, but we can be forgiven. He created us to serve Him, and we get rewarded in the afterlife. If we choose to reject him, should we get rewarded for it?? Its our own choice
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:37 am to BlueDawn
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And imo there is evidence it's not all by chance.
Oh heck yeah. Look at it from a prophecy perspective. So much has come true that was prophesied.
And, many people have had religious experiences. Many people just choose not to believe them. But I'll bet if you asked friends and family members if they have had one, several will have a story to tell.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:37 am to CatsGoneWild
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He didn't make you a sinner. He tells you to be just like him. When you choose to sin, it's your fault. We ain't perfect, but we can be forgiven. He created us to serve Him, and we get rewarded in the afterlife. If we choose to reject him, should we get rewarded for it?? Its our own choice
Whether I see evidence for god or not says nothing about how I choose to live my life. It doesn't mean I am a sinner
Why do some people get to see a ghost or have a near death experience? At that point are they accepting god on faith? If I had a near death experience it would be alot easier for me to believe.
Seems like an unfair cruel game to play with the stakes being eternal torture in hell
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:38 am to CatsGoneWild
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So you would rather be burning, suffering, always thirsty, tormented in your own flame instead of having everything and more? I choose heaven where I will have a mansion, all the food I want, no pain and no stress, where I will be loved, probably can fly, and be with the One who created me and gave his own life for me.
I won't be thirsty, suffering or anything of the sort, because when I take my last breath of life, I'll cease to exist just like an extinct animal.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:39 am to GeauxTigerTM
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I actually think about this alot as it's a topic I love. I think people tend to forget that the reason they think uploading your thoughts and memories seem like a way to live on is that they are dying when they do it. But...what if you did it today? What if instead of YOU dying after the procedure and the clone being turned on with all your memories, etc you BOTH woke up? Which one is you? You're still you obviously, and the other one THINKS it's you, but it can't be because you are still there, right? You've just made a copy...but the original is still the original. My point is, this is a great way of preserving intelligence (what if we could clone Newton, for instance?) or creativity or talents, etc...but it's only really good for everyone BUT the person being cloned. Because that individual stopped existing upon death.
Would make a good episode for Broken Mirror.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:40 am to CatsGoneWild
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He created us to serve Him
That seems pretty high horsey of him.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:43 am to CatsGoneWild
Your God, by your own belief, made everything. He made me to be the sort of person to question as a young child, starting about age 5 or 6, to think that the teachings of your religion do not make sense. Can you really not see that there is something wrong with a God that is supposed to love us but also wants to punish the innocent thoughts of a child that were there as a basic seed of being? You are right that I am responsible for my own decisions, but the basic assumptions of the rest of your stated beliefs are not consistent with that idea of free will.
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 10:44 am
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:48 am to i am dan
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That seems pretty high horsey of him.
LOL! When you can live a 100% sin-free life, then you might have something!
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:48 am to i am dan
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Is the idea of eternal life appealing to you?
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhh, yes.
That being said, I'm an agnostic so I'm not proposing one fate to be more likely than the other but I would definitely prefer to exist than not exist. That's sort of the main allure of religion, is it not?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:49 am to Peazey
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Your God, by your own belief, made everything. He made me to be the sort of person to question as a young child, starting about age 5 or 6, to think that the teachings of your religion do not make sense. Can you really not see that there is something wrong with a God that is supposed to love us but also wants to punish the innocent thoughts of a child that were there as a basic seed of being? You are right that I am responsible for my own decisions, but the basic assumptions of the rest of your stated beliefs are not consistent with that idea of free will.
Not to turn this into a debate on Christian theology, but God doesn't love everyone. God's love has nothing to do with your religious beliefs or presumably lack thereof.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:49 am to i am dan
I used to think that I was agnostic but I definitely believe in 'something' after our time on earth. Therefore, not sure of the label that others want to give me.
I was raised Christian and lived most of my life sort of believing but also doubting specific things. I try to live more of a Do Unto Others mindset and need to improve my 'service' in helping others. If I can do that, then I will gladly accept whatever job is given to me in the afterlife or will be content with no afterlife.
I was raised Christian and lived most of my life sort of believing but also doubting specific things. I try to live more of a Do Unto Others mindset and need to improve my 'service' in helping others. If I can do that, then I will gladly accept whatever job is given to me in the afterlife or will be content with no afterlife.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:50 am to Peazey
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Can you really not see that there is something wrong with a God that is supposed to love us but also wants to punish the innocent thoughts of a child that were there as a basic seed of being?
Children don't go to hell. When you are old enough to be responsible for your actions, you need to seek Him with an open heart. Seek and ye shall find.
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:52 am to i am dan
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. I'm a wanna be agnostic. I have a pretty scientific brain that doesn't work well on faith.
So science created science, or something like that?
Posted on 6/28/17 at 10:56 am to tigersbh
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Children don't go to hell. When you are old enough to be responsible for your actions, you need to seek Him with an open heart. Seek and ye shall find.
Where do they go? Straight to heaven?
If so, the best thing anyone could have ever done for me was kill me when I was 5. That is a factual statement. Does that seem right to you?
And at what age does this happen. Specifically, there had to be one moment where a child goes from not responsible to responsible for their thoughts. What if they die the next week not believing, but another kid had 90 years to then confess his faith in God on his death bed?
Seems reasonable
This post was edited on 6/28/17 at 11:16 am
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