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re: Imagine a world without attorneys
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:14 pm to boosiebadazz
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:14 pm to boosiebadazz
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multinational corporation that is most certainly under the purview of numerous state and federal workplace safety agencies
which were created to prevent lawsuits.
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Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:17 pm to LucasP
Is there abuse on the margins? Sure. But I often feel like those bitching about the legal system (1) have an outsider's view and see only the scandalous and ridiculous stories, and (2) because of that, are almost always wanting the throw the baby out with the bath water without realizing the immense good the metaphorical baby does for people and society as a whole on a day-to-day basis.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:18 pm to oldcharlie8
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are you saying that a "common" person couldn't be a judge? in fact,,,,i believe that the state just voted against the "common" man being a judge just a few years ago. reason being is that the bill was written by.......you guessed it.....an atty.
quote:a common person can be anyone...a doctor before becoming a doctor is a common person, an engineer before becoming an engineer is a common person
are you saying that a "common" person couldn't be a judge?
you should gain your position through knowledge and experience in your field...what you are essentially saying is yeah the common person could be a judge they just have to have the knowledge and experience of the law so they can perform the job efficiently (like an attorney).Aka be a lawyer but not be called a lawyer or licensed as a lawyer...common man so no governing body to enforce ethics or discipline for wrong-doing either
A common person with common knowledge cannot effectively be a judge or a lawyer.Just like a common person with common knowledge cannot perform an appendectomy.
Lawyers are common people that learned the law. Every professionional is a common person that learned their craft. We call those jobs
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 2:19 pm
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:19 pm to oldcharlie8
Probably a lot better lawyers suck. frick them.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:19 pm to oldcharlie8
My man, you are welcome to work in an industrial environment that has much more lax rules and regulations than America and her blood-sucking lawyers.
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This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 2:20 pm
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:20 pm to boosiebadazz
quote:to protect against lawsuits that are being filed by people that do his job
, I'd imagine a lawyer (!) has specifically carved out a nice little water break for your fancy arse in some obscure federal regulation
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:20 pm to ThePoo
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A common person with common knowledge cannot effectively be a judge or a lawyer.Just like a common person with common knowledge cannot perform an appendectomy.
my great uncle was a business owner in the 60's. he ran for city judge and won. he is now regarded as one of the legendary judges in the town that he lived in. I'm fairly certain that he gained knowledge of the law before taking his seat. however, I'm also fairly certain that he looked at some of the ridiculous lawsuits and said, "get the hell out of here with that shite". NEXT!!!!
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:21 pm to oldcharlie8
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I'm also fairly certain that he looked at some of the ridiculous lawsuits and said, "get the hell out of here with that shite". NEXT!!!!
Are you under the impression that doesn't happen today?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:21 pm to ThePoo
You know what would definitely make courts better? Replacing highly trained personnel who have years of experience and are bound by a tight ethical code with a bunch of random yahoos with no training, experience, or ethical obligations. That sounds fricking lovely
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:21 pm to boosiebadazz
Yes, laws are necessary, but at some point they become overly complex and burdensome, at that point lawyers are necessary.
In a very real sense, the only solutions offered by lawyers are to problems created by lawyers.
Engineers, doctors, carpenters, all have very real, tangible contributions to society. Lawyers don't have that, they serve a system that is only required because of how shitty the system is. It's not the lawyer's fault that the system has gotten to this point but there is nothing noble in being a part of it either.
In a very real sense, the only solutions offered by lawyers are to problems created by lawyers.
Engineers, doctors, carpenters, all have very real, tangible contributions to society. Lawyers don't have that, they serve a system that is only required because of how shitty the system is. It's not the lawyer's fault that the system has gotten to this point but there is nothing noble in being a part of it either.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:22 pm to oldcharlie8
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et's say that the judges were not attorneys and you represented yourself.
I think we would all be wishing we could hire someone with professional understanding of the laws that could represent us in court.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:23 pm to LucasP
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Engineers, doctors, carpenters, all have very real, tangible contributions to society. Lawyers don't have that,
Man this may be the stupidest this I've read on this website.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:23 pm to CorporateTiger
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You know what would definitely make courts better? Replacing highly trained personnel who have
the ability to win a case even though their client is guilty as shite.
that's how I see it.
that poor random yahoo probably couldn't do that, right?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:24 pm to oldcharlie8
quote:would make sense wouldn't it
I'm fairly certain that he gained knowledge of the law before taking his seat.
quote:it's great isn't it, did you know that there are regulations in place that punish attorneys for knowingly filing frivolous lawsuits with no grounds. You cannot however regulate a profession if that profession does not exist
I'm also fairly certain that he looked at some of the ridiculous lawsuits and said, "get the hell out of here with that shite". NEXT!!!!
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:25 pm to oldcharlie8
The poor random yahoo also couldn't win a case against a large sophisticated company that severely injured himself either.
Not to mention that judges need a set of ethical standards to avoid or at least limit bribery. Who is going to write that?
Not to mention that judges need a set of ethical standards to avoid or at least limit bribery. Who is going to write that?
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:26 pm to LucasP
I disagree that lawyers do not offer a tangible good to the system. The system has evolved to be this complex because we live in a complex, international, fluid world. If we were still trading wampum beads for animals pelts with the folks across the river then yeah, we wouldn't need lawyers. But because we have sovereigns and multinational corporations (that sometimes carry more weight than a sovereign) and immense transnational trade, we most certainly need the grease inside the economical machine to make it run smoothly. Again, you're going to have hiccups and sputters because the basis of capitalism is competition, chaos, and conflict, but that doesn't mean laws and lawyers themselves are to blame.
That's not even getting into the power of the sovereign to take your liberty and the necessity for a check on state power there.
That's not even getting into the power of the sovereign to take your liberty and the necessity for a check on state power there.
This post was edited on 1/27/16 at 2:29 pm
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:26 pm to CorporateTiger
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Man this may be the stupidest this I've read on this website
Really putting that grad degree to work with this argument. I'm floored by it.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:26 pm to oldcharlie8
Hey man, you can pro se it all day any day anywhere. No one forces you to hire a lawyer.
But I bet if you get hurt on the job I know where you will be to enforce your workers' compensation claim (a system invented by lawyer legislators as a compromise between employers and employees).
In court, with a lawyer, demanding your rights.
But I bet if you get hurt on the job I know where you will be to enforce your workers' compensation claim (a system invented by lawyer legislators as a compromise between employers and employees).
In court, with a lawyer, demanding your rights.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:27 pm to LucasP
quote:It is a reflection of the current status of american society, not attorneys
In a very real sense, the only solutions offered by lawyers are to problems created by lawyers.
Posted on 1/27/16 at 2:28 pm to oldcharlie8
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which were created to prevent lawsuits by careless people like me who get injured on the job and expect someone else to foot the bill for my negligence
FIFY
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