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re: I’m not buying all the Helen Keller stuff

Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:16 am to
Posted by lsufanva
sandston virginia
Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 12:16 am to
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it made a great story and served as an inspiration to others.


Sounds very similar to this book we've all read/heard of that most in this thread would argue to the death is/has truth in it's meaning when in actuality it's likely in the same boat as ole Helen here. Greatly embellished as inspiration with miniscule amounts of truth mixed in.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:42 am to
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I want you to plug your ears and cover your eyes. Now I want to put your fingers all around your mouth as you say “water”. Feel how your teeth move, how your tongue moves, your lips, the way the form. The vibrations. It’s slow, tedious, unnerving…but when all you have is time, what have you got to lose.


Someone is putting their fingers in my mouth, and moving my lips, if I am deaf and blind from birth how am I supposed to know what this means? How did I learn the concepts of language, speech, word meaning without which someone moving my lips around is pretty meaning less. The only analogy I can come up with is you plug up your ears, cover your eyes, and I try to teach you to say a word in Russian when you have no idea what I’m trying to do. Even if I succeed in getting you to make a noise similar to the Russian word, it means nothing to you.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 2:15 am
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 1:54 am to
Technically all atm machines have braille, so the placement in a drive thru is just easier access.
Posted by RollTide1987
Augusta, GA
Member since Nov 2009
69654 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 5:52 am to
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But I think yall are seriously underestimating how difficult it would be to be deaf and blind, and how difficult it would be to communicate with a person who was.


Not if you have actually seen The Miracle Worker, which was the movie based on her life. It was obviously very frustrating for all parties involved. Her parents had essentially given up on her until Anne Sullivan showed up.
Posted by JFT96
Member since Dec 2021
672 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:04 am to
This is was of those crazy flat earthen, Qanon conspiracies that has been floating around for a while. At least we know which side of the tin foil hats you side with.
Posted by GetMeOutOfHere
Member since Aug 2018
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:10 am to
Posted by MLSter
Member since Feb 2013
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Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:37 am to
British accent lol
Posted by pbro62
Baton Rouge
Member since May 2016
15171 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 6:40 am to
What a historian are you dipshit. Imagine someone doing something brilliant using other senses and skills to develop.
This post was edited on 1/18/22 at 6:50 am
Posted by olgoi khorkhoi
priapism survivor
Member since May 2011
16327 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:07 am to
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Blind and deaf, (imagine this for a minute. Close your eyes, cover your ears and try to do literally anything), she apparently graduated with a college degree, wrote 12 books, and founded several organizations




Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68471 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:11 am to
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I’m not buying all the Helen Keller stuff

OK don't
Posted by Delacroix22
Member since Aug 2013
4537 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:23 am to
It’s pretty astounding if you think about it

How would you know that things have names? That “names” are expressed via word?

Also how do you think? Your inner monologue is in some sort of language.

It’s actually an unfathomable riddle the longer you think about it.
Posted by Pooturd
Knoxville
Member since Mar 2020
1258 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 8:12 am to
I’m calling it now. Helen Keller didn’t exist
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
29044 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 9:20 am to
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Someone is putting their fingers in my mouth, and moving my lips, if I am deaf and blind from birth how am I supposed to know what this means? How did I learn the concepts of language, speech, word meaning without which someone moving my lips around is pretty meaning less.
She was not deaf and blind from birth, she could see and hear until nearly age 2. She could probably recall what some things look like and that we use our mouths to talk. Once she realized that the hand motions and mouth movements were different ways to label things, the floodgates opened for her.

I imagine it would be more difficult to teach someone who was deaf and blind from birth, but it's still possible.

You might first have to teach them that their senses don't work, which can be done by first establishing a touch-based negative/affirmative, differentiating between you and me, and then working through what different body parts can and can't do. From that base, you can work through things like you touch me and I can feel it, I touch you and you can feel it, and so on. Just making the link between your mouth and my ears, and that it doesn't work the other way, would probably be enough to make sense of the mouth movement concept.

Posted by PacoPicopiedra
1 Ft. Above Sea Level
Member since Apr 2012
1328 posts
Posted on 1/18/22 at 7:34 pm to
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Now I can't begin to guess how they can tell a $20 from a $5.


My grandfather was completely blinded from an industrial accident (acid spill) and he used to tell me that you could faintly feel the writing on each bill and tell what dollar amount it was. The ink was slightly raised. Not sure if that is still the case with the newer bills since the redesign.
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