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re: I'm convinced education's steep decline began and continues today for 3 main reasons!

Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:54 pm to
Posted by SneezyBeltranIsHere
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 12:54 pm to
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When I first started hearing about this I took some time to investigate it and pretty quickly figured out that is how I naturally manipulated large numbers since I was a child.


The problem with math education in the US is not our approach, be it common core or anything else.

The problem is this unrealistic belief that all kids are pretty much equally smart and all kids can be on the same math level if we just find the right approach. The major college & university students most often change out of is Engineering, and it is because of the math.

We need high school plans that focus on trades and/or non-STEM career paths for students who struggle with math.
Posted by BRbornandraised
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:01 pm to
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Muslims and Christians worship the same God. Allah is just the Arabic word for God.


Sorry, but this is not true at all. Christians believe Jesus is the son of God and part of God through the Holy Trinity.... Muslims do not believe this
Posted by SwampyWaters
Member since Apr 2023
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:21 pm to
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This isn't going to make kids 'smarter'. There is a separation of church and state for a reason. If you want your kids to learn reading, writing, and arithmetic send them to school. If you want them to learn about religion send them to church. Its pretty simple.


I agree with you that it will not make them smarter, but it will give students some guidance and direction. Unless you are in the classroom everyday, it's hard to understand that some of these students are basically wild animals to a certain extent. They have never had direction, never made to follow rules, never made to respect others and even themselves. I promise you hearing about God can only help these kids.

How would you feel if your child shared several classes with a student that was out of control and severely disrupting the learning environment daily? I can tell what will happen. The good students will begin putting their heads down because they can't learn in that of environment and I don't blame them. Are you okay with your child sitting in a classroom all year and learning nothing? I think God is a great start! What's your solution?
Posted by cbree88
South Louisiana
Member since Feb 2010
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:24 pm to
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Sorry, but this is not true at all. Christians believe Jesus is the son of God and part of God through the Holy Trinity.... Muslims do not believe this


It’s still the same God. The one true monotheistic God.

Would you also say that Jews worship a different God since they don’t accept Jesus as the Messiah? Most of Catholicism (the original Church founded by Christ 2000 years ago) has its roots in Judaism. That’s why much of what Catholics do is actually 4,000 years old rather than 2,000.
Posted by BRbornandraised
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:30 pm to
Christians believe Jesus is God incarnate. They believe God is made up of 3 persons in the father, son, and holy spirit. I would 100% say that the Jews and Muslims do no believe this 1 God made up of 3 divine persons is also their god. There is actually 0 question that they do not believe this. So no they are not the same god.
Posted by rowbear1922
Houston, TX
Member since Oct 2008
15579 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:30 pm to
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It’s still the same God. The one true monotheistic God


So what about other religions that believe in multiple Gods or have any other God? Religion does not belong in public classrooms because of separation of church and state
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6706 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:39 pm to
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Christians believe Jesus is God incarnate. They believe God is made up of 3 persons in the father, son, and holy spirit. I would 100% say that the Jews and Muslims do no believe this 1 God made up of 3 divine persons is also their god. There is actually 0 question that they do not believe this. So no they are not the same god.


you think Jews and Christains have a different God even though Jesus was a Jew?
Posted by DakIsNoLB
Member since Sep 2015
1045 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:42 pm to
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The problem with math education in the US is not our approach, be it common core or anything else.

The problem is this unrealistic belief that all kids are pretty much equally smart and all kids can be on the same math level if we just find the right approach. The major college & university students most often change out of is Engineering, and it is because of the math.

We need high school plans that focus on trades and/or non-STEM career paths for students who struggle with math.


Yup. This issue is pervasive. We are all not able to everything as well as anybody else. I had a classmate tell me if everyone applied themselves/worked as hard as I did, they could be just as smart and do just as well.

If everyone only had to apply themselves more, we'd have way more doctors, CEOs, lawyers, engineers, professional athletes, professional musicians, professional cooks etc.. than we do. Equality of outcomes is a fool's errand.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6706 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:42 pm to
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OP is 100% correct.



except for the entire separation of church of state thing the founding fathers pretty clearly laid out and the country was founded on
Posted by BRbornandraised
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:43 pm to
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you think Jews and Christains have a different God even though Jesus was a Jew?


I'm confused by your argument. By this same logic, Jews are polytheistic because Abraham was once a polytheist. Christians believe God is made up of 3 divine persons: father, son and holy spirit. Are you saying Muslims and Jews also believe in this god made up of 3 divine persons?
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6706 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:44 pm to
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I'm confused by your argument. By this same logic, Jews are polytheistic because Abraham was once a polytheist. Christians believe God is made up of 3 divine persons: father, son and holy spirit. Are you saying Muslims and Jews also believe in this god made up of 3 divine persons?


I am saying Jesus was a Jew and his dad/god who all other Jews worshipped sent him down to die for everyone sins. Are you saying that guy is not the same god as the Jew god?

Was Jesus the catalyst for some kind of new god formation?
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 1:45 pm
Posted by BRbornandraised
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:46 pm to
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I am saying Jesus was a Jew and his dad/god who all other Jews worshipped sent him down to die for everyone sins. Are you saying that guy is not the same god as the Jew god?


Yes, is not the same god as the Christian god made up of 3 persons. Go ask any rabbi if they believe God is made up of the father, jesus, and the holy spirit. They will tell you no.
Posted by Porter Osborne Jr
Member since Sep 2012
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Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:47 pm to
You actually got people to believe you’re a veteran teacher. That’s impressive.
Posted by BRbornandraised
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:47 pm to
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Was Jesus the catalyst for some kind of new god formation?


DING DING DING. the holy trinity makes up god, this was not the case prior to jesus. Someone didnt read their bible.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6706 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:48 pm to
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Yes, is not the same god as the Christian god made up of 3 persons. Go ask any rabbi if they believe God is made up of the father, jesus, and the holy spirit. They will tell you no.



so when Jesus (a Jew) was alive did he pray/talk to the same god the other Jews did?
Posted by BRbornandraised
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:49 pm to
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so when Jesus (a Jew) was alive did he pray/talk to the same god the other Jews did?


Not according to the bible. He refers to God as his father in the bible. Jews refer to god as yahweh =/= father
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6706 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:51 pm to
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Not according to the bible. He refers to God as his father in the bible. Jews refer to god as yahweh =/= father



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Torah. The Jewish sacred text is called the Tanakh or the “Hebrew Bible.” It includes the same books as the Old Testament in the Christian Bible, but they're placed in a slightly different order. The Torah—the first five books of the Tanakh—outlines laws for Jews to follow.


so once Jesus was born a new god emerged, different from the one mentioned in the old testament?
Posted by BRbornandraised
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:54 pm to
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so once Jesus was born a new god emerged, different from the one mentioned in the old testament?



You keep asking questions thinking I'm going to agree with you, we can agree to disagree. Jesus was literally killed by the jews because he was preaching a different type of god than the one in the old testament.
Posted by hubertcumberdale
Member since Nov 2009
6706 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:56 pm to
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You keep asking questions thinking I'm going to agree with you, we can agree to disagree. Jesus was literally killed by the jews because he was preaching a different type of god than the one in the old testament.


the only thing im arguing is that Jews and Christains worship a different god when the old testament and the torah are the exact same thing and even Jesus was a Jew himself

I was under the asusmption Jesus was crucified for claiming to be the son of God

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The Bible says that the crucifixion of Jesus occurred after he was arrested and charged with claiming to be king of the Jews, which was considered a betrayal of the king and punishable by death.
This post was edited on 6/13/24 at 1:59 pm
Posted by BRbornandraised
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Jun 2013
581 posts
Posted on 6/13/24 at 1:59 pm to
If you to the core fundamentally change the makeup of an older religion's god to create a new religion.... I would argue that it is no longer the same god the older religion believed in
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