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re: If you believe in God AND Aliens…
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:07 pm to VolSquatch
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:07 pm to VolSquatch
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God wouldn't tell us about Aliens because a lot of the Bible is a guidebook on how to build a successful civilization.
That's much more Judaism than Christianity.
The Covenant of the Torah is that barter (believe me in and I will show you how to live properly in the desert, etc.).
Christianity doesn't translate the same, and much of that influence is due to the Roman/Catholic influence on Christianity (and not the other way around). Romans knew how to organize society when Christianity began.
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Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:08 pm to fr33manator
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So their own space Jews?
Very Druish comment I must say
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:09 pm to Bullfrog
You’re equivocating of the meaning of gods here. Scripture is clear that there is only one God. Having “other gods” is another way of saying worshiping anything other than the one true God—including made up gods or other spirits pretending to be gods.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:13 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Nope. It’s pretty clear.
“I am your god and I will be pissed if y’all pay any attention to any of those other gods.”
Imagine your god recognizing there are other gods and getting hurt in the feels if you ignored him.
That’s a petty fricking god.
“I am your god and I will be pissed if y’all pay any attention to any of those other gods.”
Imagine your god recognizing there are other gods and getting hurt in the feels if you ignored him.
That’s a petty fricking god.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 12:16 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
I should have been more precise with my wording.
The fundamental principles of Christianity result in thriving civilizations. It's not so much an instruction manual on how to build it as it is something that creates attributes of a lasting civilization. This is especially true at the lowest levels of human civilization, because for example a feud over someone sleeping with another man's wife could destroy an entire town/village in the early days of Christianity because there might only be a few families living there.
The fundamental principles of Christianity result in thriving civilizations. It's not so much an instruction manual on how to build it as it is something that creates attributes of a lasting civilization. This is especially true at the lowest levels of human civilization, because for example a feud over someone sleeping with another man's wife could destroy an entire town/village in the early days of Christianity because there might only be a few families living there.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:21 pm to VolSquatch
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because for example a feud over someone sleeping with another man's wife could destroy an entire town/village in the early days of Christianity because there might only be a few families living there.
This is why society created religion in the first place. Societal trial and error to minimize disruptive behavior.
The Code of Hammurabi had regulation on adultery. Approx 2k years before Christianity
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:23 pm to Bullfrog
quote:Isaiah 45:5
Imagine your god recognizing their are other gods and getting hurt in the feels if you ignored him. That’s a petty fricking god.
"I am the Lord, and there is no other, besides me there is no God."
Isaiah 44:6
"Thus says the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the Lord of hosts: 'I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.'"
1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
1 Corinthians 8:4
"Therefore, as to the eating of food offered to idols, we know that 'an idol has no real existence,' and that 'there is no God but one.'"
Hebrews 12:28–29
"Let us offer to God acceptable worship, with reverence and awe, for our God is a consuming fire."
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:28 pm to Bullfrog
Imagine being all knowing, all powerful, and all loving: the epitome of being and love. Then you create the entire universe, then humans in your image. Then the humans start doing the opposite of love, and they start worshiping fricking Zeus and a golden calf.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 12:36 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:44 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:Curious what the point of the last sentence is—are you implying that the Christian commandments against adultery did not exist prior to Jesus’s life?
The Code of Hammurabi had regulation on adultery. Approx 2k years before Christianity
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:51 pm to AllbyMyRelf
He used it as an example to support this argument
That particular part of the playbook on "building a successful civilization" predated Christianity by almost 2k years.
Christianity is nothing special with respect to his argument, was the point.
Nothing "Christian" existed prior to Jesus's life.
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because a lot of the Bible is a guidebook on how to build a successful civilization.
That particular part of the playbook on "building a successful civilization" predated Christianity by almost 2k years.
Christianity is nothing special with respect to his argument, was the point.
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the Christian commandments against adultery did not exist prior to Jesus’s life?
Nothing "Christian" existed prior to Jesus's life.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:52 pm to litenin
Aliens are demons/fallen angels
Posted on 4/24/25 at 12:53 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Most of the 10 commandments are about recognizing the sanctity of private property.
If it is not yours, don’t fool with it. From reputations, human life, personal property and wives.
Such common sense would have existed way before Moses downloaded this particular version to his tablets from the cloud.
And you can amuse yourself checking out the other versions.
If it is not yours, don’t fool with it. From reputations, human life, personal property and wives.
Such common sense would have existed way before Moses downloaded this particular version to his tablets from the cloud.
And you can amuse yourself checking out the other versions.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 12:57 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:00 pm to LSUJuice
quote:Perhaps the creator of our matterium did so out of boredom, just to be entertained by our antics?
Then the humans start doing the opposite of love, and they start worshiping fricking Zeus and a golden calf.
And the space aliens created nothing. They came much later than our creation and mucked with human dna and history.
You are confusing the creative God with the faux space alien “gods”.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
Agreed that the Bible is not meant to be a guidebook on building society.
quote:Mostly semantics here. If something can only be “Christian” if it follows sequentially after the birth of Christ, then sure, but the Christian God is the same God of the Jews in the Old Testament. In that sense, moral commandments given to the Israelites are the same commandments given to Christians.
Nothing "Christian" existed prior to Jesus's life.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:09 pm to Bullfrog
quote:I don’t think many people would dispute that mankind had ideas of morality prior to Moses receiving the 10 commandments. Paul writes as much in Romans chapter 2. You can amuse yourself by checking it out.
Such common sense would have existed way before Moses downloaded this particular version to his tablets from the cloud.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:09 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Not really, the Old Testament and the New Testament were mushed together by Constantine and his cohorts, the ones that survived being killed off if they didn’t toe the line and agree on the “official” version.
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 1:11 pm
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:12 pm to AllbyMyRelf
Will do. Is there any particular version of the 500-700 bibles that you recommend?
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:13 pm to Bullfrog
Not only is this wrong, it’s also not responsive to my post, so I’m not sure why you’ve written it.
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:14 pm to Bullfrog
ESV will do
Posted on 4/24/25 at 1:20 pm to AllbyMyRelf
No. The Christian god adds Jesus to the the 3-in-1 oil god formulation.
The god of the Jews somehow left him out of their god formula.
The holy spirit component is floating between the two.
So no, the definition of god in your semantics is vastly different when you toss in the Christian flavor after Jesus was murdered and the “son of god” also became god with the other two.
An illustration is an eye for an eye is vastly different from turning the other cheek.
Jesus was pretty naive in dealing with criminals. Moses was not.
Catch y’all later,
The god of the Jews somehow left him out of their god formula.
The holy spirit component is floating between the two.
So no, the definition of god in your semantics is vastly different when you toss in the Christian flavor after Jesus was murdered and the “son of god” also became god with the other two.
An illustration is an eye for an eye is vastly different from turning the other cheek.
Jesus was pretty naive in dealing with criminals. Moses was not.
Catch y’all later,
This post was edited on 4/24/25 at 1:25 pm
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