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re: If the SEC or Fed steps in to help the Wall Street institutions that shorted GME....

Posted on 1/28/21 at 1:54 pm to
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89580 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 1:54 pm to
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only retail investors have been stripped of the ability to buy. Hedge funds, I believe, can trade freely with impunity and retail investors are free to sell.

If what I described is accurate, it’s pretty fricked


It works this way for on the upside and the down, outside of NYSE or other exchange halts. This is the same mechanism that keeps the market from falling 25% in a day as well.

Ultimately you can think of regulators like the SEC and Finra as organizations that believe the average retail investor has a room temperature IQ. Platforms then interpret those rules to avoid as much liability as possible. They make the rules to protect the dumbest among us, and while it sucks sometimes, it saves a lot of regular people from losing their arse.

I’d be fine if we let stupid people do whatever the hell they want, as long as we understand the casualties of a GME situation will be hedge funds and average Joes alike. Unfortunately the latter doesn’t typically have the ability to recover as easily as the former.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17163 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 1:57 pm to
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I don’t understand. These are the guys against the stock rising. They still see it at as a single digit stock...why would they buy in the $200s? This is above my intelligence. Why would they want the volatility?



It's honestly not very much about the underlying company.

The day traders are buying the stock knowing that some larger investment firms went in hard on a short position. The short position isn't illogical, as Gamestop is a struggling company that's faced the brunt of Covid-19 and the dominance of E-commerce. No one is buying Gamestop thinking that it's a great long term investment. It's a risky buy at any price IMO.

A short position is when you borrow a shares from someone thinking that the price will go down. When the price goes down, you return those shares after purchasing them at a lower price. Their upside is that they can gain up to the entire share price per share they shorted if the share prices collapse. The short position has an theoretical infinite limit on their losses since there's technically no limit to how high a share price can get (practically speaking, there is a limit - GME's market cap is far higher than anyone thinks the company is legitimately worth based on its own merits). In a nutshell, the short position is a bet that the stock price will go down.

A few people on Reddit bought shares in Gamestop very low after some key investment banker and Wall Street tweeted that they are shorting the stock (which was done to help push the stock price down). When the price didn't go down, people started buying shares, driving the price up, putting the short at risk.

Then Elon Musk tweeted a link to the discussion on reddit (one of the investment firms shorting Gamestop also very shorted Tesla a while back and talked about it very publically). A few news stories picked it up. I'm honestly not 100% sure exactly when or how this went viral, but it definitely did. The result is that pretty much the whole world saw a trend of smaller investors buying shares of Gamestop, driving up the price.

The small guys are enjoying the fact that the Gamestop share price has skyrocketed due to all the buzz on reddit and social media. Some of them did this out of principle. Many have piled on because the share price climbed so high and continued to climb. They are all "squeezing" the short position held by a a few key Wall Street investment firms. IMO they deserve it. Those firms short companies all the time and advertise their position in public in hopes that the share price will be driven down farther. There's a some fundamental risks to a short position because there's no theoretical limit to the potential gains a stock could make. You can lose big, but can only gain a maximum of the total share price of the stock you borrowed.

As of yesterday, the total Wall Street short position is about 140% of the entire amount of Gamestop shares available, and a lot of the margin calls for these "borrowed" shares are happening tomorrow and over the next few days.....so the big investors are going to have to buy shares at massive costs to cover their contractual obligation to return the the shares they borrowed to support their short position. Some of them have doubled down and shorted at an even higher price. A few have borrowed cash ($billions) to cover their now disasterous short position.

So it's an interesting event taking place. Some idiots on CNBC and CNN have already claimed that discussing mass investment into a stock (as what happened on reddit) should be illegal. That's how pissed the ruling class is right now. Some are calling for more regulation, which of course will be directed towards smaller investors instead of the Wall Street banks. Some are calling for less regulation and to let the idiots that made a risky bet deal with the consequences. THere is an ongoing effort to keep small investors from buying Gamestop shares (multiple trading platforms not allowing them to "buy", but allowing them to sell). Discord banned the subreddit discussing this yesterday. IMO, it's a matter of time before Wall Street tries to put law enforcement on this to go after the small investors although I'm not sure how that would work yet.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. If I'm not 100% right or if I'm being fuzzy on the descriptors, I'm sure someone will correct me. What I'm not clear on is how exactly this went viral.

This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 2:11 pm
Posted by Arthur Bach
Member since Jul 2016
2628 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:08 pm to
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Retail investors are mom and pops, Robinhood, etc.


Why would they want the volatility + at a huge price/sales number. It’s my own ignorance of how the stocks actually trade I guess, but if it was trading at single digits-what’s the benefit for them buying at 200s? Then what? They open trading back up and it pops again bc stonks?
Posted by Arthur Bach
Member since Jul 2016
2628 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:13 pm to
Dude, we’re talking about a casino stonk and Robinhood. That’s just pure political hate talk. Go to PT with that. People over the entire political spectrum do not like this. Just bc she happens to be voicing her opinion as well doesn’t mean she needs to be trashed in stonk thread. Smoke a bowl if you dislike someone politically that much.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
89580 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 2:57 pm to
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Why would they want the volatility + at a huge price/sales number. It’s my own ignorance of how the stocks actually trade I guess, but if it was trading at single digits-what’s the benefit for them buying at 200s? Then what? They open trading back up and it pops again bc stonks?



Do you want the truth or what Reddit is trying to pass off as the truth?

Reddit says they’re willing to buy and hold GME all the way up and all the way down just to force hedge funds trying to cover their losses to be buying from a very limited pool of sellers. Reddit allegedly isn’t selling, so there is a tremendous amount of buying from them and hedge funds but no sellers, hence the 10x moves lately. Eventually the shorts will have covered their losses and you’re left with just Reddit guys buying from some small pool of sellers. That will turn around when GME gets boring and all these Reddit people decide to move on, so there will be tremendous selling and no real buyers, so the price will crash. They’re supposedly fine with that since they’ll have bankrupted all these funds.

The real truth is most shorts have already closed out, so it’s just new people who are late to the party buying it yesterday/today, and the people selling it to them are the original Reddit investors who are smartly trying to make as much money as possible from their pump and dump. The investors the last two days will be left holding the bag, and a lot of random Joes will lose 50-90% of their purchases as everyone liquidates.

Everyone is altruistic on the way up, but it’s every man for himself on the way down.
Posted by yaboidarrell
westbank
Member since Feb 2017
6110 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:17 pm to
Ja Rule is pissed



Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17163 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:21 pm to
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Reddit says they’re willing to buy and hold GME all the way up and all the way down just to force hedge funds trying to cover their losses to be buying from a very limited pool of sellers.


At least half of them are posting pictures of the new cars they are going to buy, confirmation of their student loan payments, etc.

I respect that. I can't ridicule someone for taking a profit.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25947 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:27 pm to
Ja Rule is trying to pump and dump.
Posted by goofball
Member since Mar 2015
17163 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 3:57 pm to
This interview will make you guys sick.

Thomas Peterffy on CNBC

He is not even at all concerned about the markets. He was trying to take care of the hedge funds and clearing houses. They did this to protect themselves.
This post was edited on 1/28/21 at 3:59 pm
Posted by Arthur Bach
Member since Jul 2016
2628 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 4:07 pm to
So who was buying all the way down today? retail investors are now holding the positions sold? I assume a good bit is shorts getting out, but who was buying if only retailers could?
Posted by biggie
Member since May 2013
90 posts
Posted on 1/28/21 at 10:54 pm to
How are they going to exercise them without the capitol?
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