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re: I just turned down "the vaccine". Update pg 13.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:28 pm to slackster
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:28 pm to slackster
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Just curious, do you ask the same of every medication you’ve ever taken?
I rarely take medications, and the ones I do take are OTC and have been around for decades. Not sure why this matters.
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Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:29 pm to omarlittle
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Exercise completed. Now why should I care about the “10 reasons why”? Give me a concrete example.
Vaccines are an exercise in the group above one’s self. Anti-Vaxxers are essentially safe because everyone else vaccinates. The irony is comical.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:30 pm to Chucktown_Badger
This thread was started by someone who treats patients everyday. This thread was then derailed by someone who works in big pharma. I wonder who used demeaning intimidation to state their case to help others and who didn’t.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:30 pm to Jyrdis
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rarely take medications, and the ones I do take are OTC and have been around for decades. Not sure why this matters.
So you’re going to avoid a vaccine because of the unknown side effects. You’d rather take your chances with a virus that has existed for 12 months with unknown side effects.
Got it.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:31 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:31 pm to slackster
I’m not concerned with my own safety (in this case). Does the vaccine protect those that take it from getting infected?
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:31 pm to omarlittle
People who've had Guillain-Barre Syndrome, people with severe allergies, possibly people who have cancer or are otherwise immunocompromised, although those are on a case by case basis. As of now, they haven't studied the vaccine on pregnant or breastfeeding women so many of those people may wait for studies, but that's another case by case basis.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:32 pm to Jyrdis
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Yikes. I’m implying that we have no idea how people acted in the trial. They may have gone about their everyday lives as normal or became a hermit. Pfizer did not mention this in their limitations.
Ok, i'm going to try this one more time, because you're dense and clearly it requires it.
- The trial was double blind...meaning neither research nor participant knew if they were getting the vaccine or a placebo (that means not the vaccine)
- They were randomized into groups and no one knew what they received...20,000 in each group
What you are suggesting is that somehow someway a majority of the people in the trial knew that they had received the vaccine or the placebo, and with that knowledge conducted their lives differently because of it.
It's a statistical impossibility. It cannot happen in a trial of that size and so it didn't need to be something that was tracked in any detail.
They also didn't track what cereal people ate for breakfast...that doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work.
If you still don't get it, I can't help you. No one can.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:32 pm to tigerbru17
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This thread was started by someone who treats patients everyday. This thread was then derailed by someone who works in big pharma. I wonder who used demeaning intimidation to state their case to help others and who didn’t.
Nurses are dumb as frick. Don’t kid yourself.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:32 pm to slackster
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So you’re going to avoid a vaccine because of the unknown side effects. You’d rather take your chances with a virus that has existed for 12 months with unknown side effects.
So, unknown side effects vs unknown side effects. Not really the best argument, but...
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Got it.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:33 pm to omarlittle
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I’m not concerned with my own safety (in this case). Does the vaccine protect those that take it from getting infected?
Yes. Not 100%, but yes.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:34 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Except about 70,000 people in phase 3 trials where the data was scrutinized to no end, like every other drug that comes before the FDA.
So there has never been a vaccine pulled from use a year or more after entering widespread use due to adverse effects not seen in the clinical trials? Hint, I already know the answer.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:35 pm to slackster
quote:So again, I ask: why is it so important that I get vaccinated.
Yes. Not 100%, but yes
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:36 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:35 pm to tigerbru17
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This thread was then derailed by someone who works in big pharma
If calling out stupid, flat out wrong takes is derailing, I guess I'm guilty. Sorry for blowing up your echo chamber.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:35 pm to omarlittle
They don’t know the effectiveness of spread post vaccination. There was a study that showed it can be passed through the nasal passages after vaccination. This is why mucosal vaccines, like the nasal spray FluMist or the oral polio vaccine, are better than intramuscular injections at fending off respiratory viruses.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:36 pm to Jyrdis
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So, unknown side effects vs unknown side effects. Not really the best argument, but...
Like I said, illogical. You’ve decided one is worse than the other without any evidence to support such a claim. The only evidence you have is that the vaccine dramatically reduces your chances of getting the virus, yet you’ve chose to ignore it.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:36 pm to bakersman
Yeah, I think you’re correct. My mother must be referring to the IPV developed in 1953 and administered in 1954. She contracted it right before they came out with it. Regardless, we have to agree there’s been great strides made in the medical field in the last 20 years.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:38 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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Ok, i'm going to try this one more time, because you're dense and clearly it requires it.
Thanks for the ad hominem.
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The trial was double blind...meaning neither research nor participant knew if they were getting the vaccine or a placebo (that means not the vaccine)
Yes, I knew that. But you’re too much of an idiot to accept that.
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They were randomized into groups and no one knew what they received...20,000 in each group
No shite. I read the study.
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What you are suggesting is that somehow someway a majority of the people in the trial knew that they had received the vaccine or the placebo, and with that knowledge conducted their lives differently because of it.
Close.
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It's a statistical impossibility. It cannot happen in a trial of that size and so it didn't need to be something that was tracked in any detail.
Not really. Given the amount of endogenous and exogenous events thy occurred. It’s in no way out of the realm of possibility to consider behavioral changes, but then again Pfizer doesn’t let us know this.
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They also didn't track what cereal people ate for breakfast...that doesn't mean the vaccine doesn't work.
Yet, a sea crew contracted Covid after being quarantining and then going out to see. Gee, what cereal were they eating?
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If you still don't get it, I can't help you. No one can.
It’s ok. Maybe one day you can go beyond linear thinking.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:39 pm to omarlittle
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So again, I ask: why is it so important that I get vaccinated.
Because it’s higher than 0%.
Christ, most of you haven’t spent more than 2 seconds thinking these asinine takes through to their logical conclusion.
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:41 pm to Jyrdis
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But you’re too much of an idiot to accept that.
Are you on a GFM fueled bender?
You're suggesting that I am not accepting that the trial was double blind? The frick?
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Given the amount of endogenous and exogenous events thy occurred.
Please do tell me more on this. I'd love to hear it.
This post was edited on 12/17/20 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 12/17/20 at 10:43 pm to Topisawtiger
I’ve researched it. Talked to several docs. One who has a very sick husband who can not get covid. She got the vaccine. Zero hesitations. I’m getting the vaccine
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