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Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:08 pm to Joshjrn
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Also, do you have a citation for where it has been proven that wearing a mask is ineffective in reducing the spread of the virus?
Its common knowledge that wearing masks does not protect against flu like viruses. In fact if they did work, peolle would be wearing them to protect against the flu. But they don't work because the virus is much smaller than the holes in the masks. Stop being a sheep and think for yourself.
Why haven't we been told to wear masks during the flu season if they worked? Why would they tell us not to wear them at the beginning, if they worked?
ETA its a terrible analogy because people with covid aren't spewing bodily fluids everywhere.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 1:10 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:09 pm to Barstools
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Its common knowledge that wearing masks does not protect against flu like viruses. In fact if they did work, peolle would be wearing them to protect against the flu. But they don't work because the virus is much smaller than the holes in the masks. Stop being a sheep and think for yourself.
So that's a no, you don't have a citation for it being proven that masks are ineffective in reducing the spread of the virus.
But the fact that, after four months, you still conflate the issue of whether the mask protects you with whether it possibly protects other people from you is telling.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:15 pm to Joshjrn
Bro its common knowledge. Here is a link since you're too retarded to Google yourself.
Masks don't work. Everyone knows it.
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A surgical mask might provide some protection, but it's going to be very modest," said Dr. William Schaffner, a professor of preventive medicine at Vanderbilt University in Nashville, Tenn.
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If it's a regular surgical face mask, the answer is no, Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, told Live Science.
Masks don't work. Everyone knows it.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:20 pm to BowlJackson
If you like calling the truth "extremist propaganda".
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:20 pm to Joshjrn
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exponential growth of positive tests because of an overall increase in testing, and that after the mask mandate, we so significantly reduced the rate of testing that it caused infection rates to plateau, and then begin to drop?
You keep using these words without understanding what they mean.
Infection rates in Louisiana have likely remained constant since day one and will continue to do so. Given how many asymptomatic cases there are, short of accurately testing the entire population on a daily basis, there is no means of controlling the transmission of this virus.
But yes, when you are refusing to test those whom are not high risk in march (even when showing all symptoms), and merely telling them to quarantine; and in may/june/july incentivizing everyone to get tested, it would stand to reason your number of total positive cases would increase.
This is not a reflection of infection rate nor an increase in symptomatic individuals.
Normative vs empirical.
What you feel is correct is not necessarily correct.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:20 pm to Barstools
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Bro its common knowledge. Here is a link since you're too retarded to Google yourself.
So, you didn't actually include a link, but when I googled that quote, I very quickly saw that he was referring to masks giving modest protection (which is still more than none) for you from the virus. It doesn't address, at all, whether it would limit your ability to infect others. Which is the actual point of contention.
Care to try again?
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:23 pm to X123F45
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You keep using these words without understanding what they mean.
Infection rates in Louisiana have likely remained constant since day one and will continue to do so. Given how many asymptomatic cases there are, short of accurately testing the entire population on a daily basis, there is no means of controlling the transmission of this virus.
But yes, when you are refusing to test those whom are not high risk in march (even when showing all symptoms), and merely telling them to quarantine; and in may/june/july incentivizing everyone to get tested, it would stand to reason your number of total positive cases would increase.
This is not a reflection of infection rate nor an increase in symptomatic individuals.
Normative vs empirical.
What you feel is correct is not necessarily correct.
I completely understand you point re: increased tested infection rates. With that said, what is your theory as to why, after the mask mandate went into effect, the number of positive tests plateaued, and then started to fall. So that we are all on the same page, I'm referring to this:
Did we significantly reduce our testing regime in a manner I'm not aware of?
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:29 pm to Joshjrn
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So, you didn't actually include a link, but when I googled that quote, I very quickly saw that he was referring to masks giving modest protection (which is still more than none) for you from the virus. It doesn't address, at all, whether it would limit your ability to infect others. Which is the actual point of contention.
Care to try again?
You a goofball...
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:29 pm to Joshjrn
Nope, I provided what you asked. I'm not doing any more homework for you.
If you have a n95 respirator it may protect against the virus. Anything other than that is for show.
Sorry, youre too dumb to see it.
If you have a n95 respirator it may protect against the virus. Anything other than that is for show.
Sorry, youre too dumb to see it.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:30 pm to Double Oh
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You a goofball...
Considering some of the things I've been called on TD, this is almost endearing
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:31 pm to Barstools
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Nope, I provided what you asked. I'm not doing any more homework for you.
If you have a n95 respirator it may protect against the virus. Anything other than that is for show.
Sorry, youre too dumb to see it.
Have a pleasant Sunday, mate
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:36 pm to Joshjrn
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Did we significantly reduce our testing regime in a manner I'm not aware of?
As a daily average? Yes. Testing numbers are falling.
Deaths? Check numbers of total deaths from those "comorbidities" opposite the peaks and valleys of the reported deaths.
Is it a coincidence one falls as the other rises?
For individuals so quick to espouse the ignorance of louisiana government, many of you seem very quick to accept the carefully crafted graphs they are providing.
Raw data. Controls. Variables.
Those are the only things that matter.
From day one, each of them have been incorrectly utilized by people who don't understand that even the desire to measure will affect their results.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:52 pm to X123F45
For the record, I don't trust the government as far as I can throw it, and considering how big it is, that isn't very far.
But is it your contention that the government artificially inflated numbers in order to issue a mask mandate, and then artificially depressed the numbers in order to show that the mask mandate is working?
If the TD hivemind is correct, and this is about making sure everything stays closed until November, wouldn't the government have a vested interest in showing that wearing masks isn't sufficient, and that we need to either remain at our current level of restrictions, or even return to Phase 1, or shelter in place?
In short, as much as I don't trust the government, I'm not sure I understand the end game for what you appear to be proposing.
But is it your contention that the government artificially inflated numbers in order to issue a mask mandate, and then artificially depressed the numbers in order to show that the mask mandate is working?
If the TD hivemind is correct, and this is about making sure everything stays closed until November, wouldn't the government have a vested interest in showing that wearing masks isn't sufficient, and that we need to either remain at our current level of restrictions, or even return to Phase 1, or shelter in place?
In short, as much as I don't trust the government, I'm not sure I understand the end game for what you appear to be proposing.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:53 pm to TH03
quote:breezy 73° Baw
Grats on the 104, baw.
My new pre-owned AP2s come in tomorrow.
This post was edited on 8/2/20 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 8/2/20 at 1:57 pm to Walt OReilly
The rest of society will carry you. Don’t inconvenience yourself
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:06 pm to Joshjrn
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I'm not sure I understand the end game for what you appear to be proposing.
I'm not proposing anything.
People are stupid. Stupid people use heuristic reasoning over logic.
In the beginning of all this, deaths from anything other than covid plummetted. Why? Inaccurate reporting by medical staff and coroners.
When things began to trend differently, deaths from things other than covid began to make a resurgence.
When the cases spiked after reopening (which should have been expected) deaths started being more likely to be attributed to covid.
It takes very little effort to affect human behavior/perception.
While I am not in the medical field, I have multiple friends who are whome have expressed their disbelief about coroners saying certain things were covid related deaths that are not.
In my own personal experience, I've encountered two obvious elder abuse situations where the deputy coroners attributed the death to covid rather than the more obvious issue.
A friend of mine who passed at a nursing home facility had her death attributed to covid. She was in her early 60s with downs. She had zero difficulties breathing or any symptoms. At that age, as much as it pains me to think it, she was on borrowed time anyways with her disability.
Anecdotal evidence aside, deaths are being inaccurately attributed to the disease.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:24 pm to X123F45
As a point of clarification, I'm not arguing about deaths, at all. Purely rate of infection, as the topic of conversation is the efficacy of masks. Obviously, once someone has COVID, whether or not they die has nothing to do with mask usage.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:40 pm to Walt OReilly
No it doesn’t.
Please leave the store, sir.
Please leave the store, sir.
Posted on 8/2/20 at 2:42 pm to Presidio
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Maybe they just don't feel like arguing with someone that has terrible grammar.
I started to say with terrible grammar. What's the problem with what I used?
And either way, the op has left his up for the entire thread and it's definitely worse than my error. I'm perfectly happy with fixing my mistakes.
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