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Posted on 12/22/16 at 1:38 pm to
Posted by MasterofTigerBait
Member since May 2009
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Posted on 12/22/16 at 1:38 pm to
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You need to go on back to the woods with this shite. He was pure evil & insane. To think anything different is utterly assinine


The fact this has 2 down votes makes me lose faith in humanity.

He was accountable for the mass killing of Jews, Catholics, the disabled, gypsys, etc.

Even if you're a disgusting antisemite, there is still plenty of evil to despise
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:02 pm to
I think they have fact checked the Documents that are accessible now.

Just my opinion,but I think it is a little naive to think that he wouldn't have had an escape plan.

Even as wacky as he became I don't think he died in the Bunker.

He had amassed a fortune at that time and had a whole lot of supporters.

Mengalla(sp) got away and died of a stroke as an old man while swimming in the Ocean in Brazille(sp).

Eichman lived in Argentena til his capture by Mossaad in the 60's.

A lot of people believe that even though Martin Boreman was found at a construction site in Berlin in the 70's there is much evidence that he lived and died in Paraguay.

Interesting stuff.
Posted by UF
Florida
Member since Nov 2016
2696 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 2:25 pm to
Hitler opened a falafel place in Buenos Aires. You people thinking he killed himself in a bunker are delusional.
Posted by Champagne
Sabine Free State.
Member since Oct 2007
51349 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 3:02 pm to
They Saved Hitler's Brain

I don't know for sure whether Hitler escaped alive, but, here's a documentary telling the story of how they saved Hitler's brain.

Posted by larry289
Holiday Island, AR
Member since Nov 2009
3858 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 3:03 pm to
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Sandwiched in between the Ancient Alien dudes and some hillbilly hunting for Bigfoot.

History channel is a part of A&E group. Becoming more and more leftist propaganda. Two upcoming series on slavery and global warming. There will be nothing left to chance in their presentation as they will preclude that with a general opening of "no legitimate person can challenge our findings".
Posted by Tom288
Jacksonville
Member since Apr 2009
21140 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 5:29 pm to
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Hitler opened a falafel place in Buenos Aires. You people thinking he killed himself in a bunker are delusional.


Yeah, and his business partner was the advanced stage of Parkinson's that he brought with him...I hear that place really exploded within the falafel scene...
Posted by Kcrad
Diamondhead
Member since Nov 2010
61336 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 5:33 pm to
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I don't know for sure whether Hitler escaped alive, but, here's a documentary telling the story of how they saved Hitler's brain.



You're kidding right...right.
Posted by Lakeboy7
New Orleans
Member since Jul 2011
25316 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 5:36 pm to
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That show is a worse wild goose chase than Oak Island. That's really saying something.



They spent 30 minutes talking about a tactical nuke test explosion in Germany and the consensus was yes it happened...one spade full of dirt and a $50 Geiger counter would tell you it did not.

A hard hitting show about the networks (Odessa) post war that helped Nazis get out would be more interesting but would be uncomfortable for the US and Catholic Church.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
136982 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 6:19 pm to
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tennvol

Has this cat been banned yet?
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:42 pm to
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This is incorrect. There is no forensic evidence that Hitler died in Germany. Scientists that went to Russia to examine items could not demonstrate with high confidence anything was tied to Hitler. Nothing was recovered at the scene to demonstrate Hitler died there. Everything granting confidence that Hitler killed himself in Germany comes from Hitler and his inner circle, neither of which has any credibility. It is pure folly to believe anything from alleged witnesses. They were Nazis that used lies and propaganda to start war, vilify an entire race, and delude themselves into thinking they should rule the world. Hitler saw the end coming, he came up with a quick back story and he fled, thinking he had a small chance to resurrect the Reich or more likely that he could at least not die at the hands of the Russians, whom he feared. These clowns on TV don't do a good job of establishing credibility, because they come off like clowns, but Hitler either made it to south america or stopped at a destination en route. There is no conclusive evidence in Germany and there is a mountain of circumstantial evidence in south america. Without proof for either destination, yet proof of Nazi encampments in south america, it is most likely Hitler either died en route or simply decided to stay somewhere en route possibly because travel became impossible, for example.


There is definitive proof Hitler died in the bunker. I've seen the forensic evidence and there is absolutely no refuting it. It is very cut and dried.

The problem that occurred causing all the conspiracy theories is that the Allies had half the evidence and the Soviets had the other half. There was a Cold War and both sides were to distrusting of the other to cross reference their evidence. The Soviets had the physical evidence and the Allies had the intelligence info and had custody of Hitler's MD, dental assistant and Dentist. The Allies also had his medical records, dental records and radiographs. ( Hiltler had extensive dental work and problems that were incredibly unique.) Neither side could prove anything without the other.
Thus both sides were uncertain as to Hitler's ultimate fate. So everyone was still looking at any lead just to be certain Hitler wasn't still around. Thus the FBI and KGB files during the Cold War.
When the Cold War chilled and both sides did a show n tell, it was clear Hitler was dead in the chancellery.

The History Channell knows all this yet still produced this intellectually dishonest show. They are just feeding on uniformed viewers. I will admit they duped me a few episodes until I did some research and discovered their dishonesty.
This post was edited on 12/22/16 at 7:56 pm
Posted by Oyster
North Shore
Member since Feb 2009
10224 posts
Posted on 12/22/16 at 7:58 pm to
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A hard hitting show about the networks (Odessa) post war that helped Nazis get out would be more interesting but would be uncomfortable for the US and Catholic Church.


It amazes me that they wouldn't do a show like this. It certainly would upset some people.
Posted by TIGERSandFROGS
Member since Jul 2007
3809 posts
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:22 am to
The show is entertaining, to me, because all that it is revealing about post-war Nazi activity. Saying it has no investigative benefit or educational purpose because Hitler clearly never left Berlin is like saying the space program is pointless because Velcro can only be invented once. A learning endeavor can have multiple goals and benefits, you know...
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17024 posts
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:30 am to
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The show is entertaining, to me, because all that it is revealing about post-war Nazi activity. Saying it has no investigative benefit or educational purpose because Hitler clearly never left Berlin is like saying the space program is pointless because Velcro can only be invented once. A learning endeavor can have multiple goals and benefits, you know...


No one is saying that people can't learn anything from the show that they didn't know before. But the premise of the show, and the entire theme of the show, revolves around the escape of Hitler, not postwar Nazis in general.

A much better program, if the History Channel were actually interested in simply producing honest historical programming and shedding light on interesting and often neglected historical events, would be on investigating the escape of Nazis postwar. But that wouldn't generate them the same viewership as floating the theory of "Hunting Hitler." And in the process, they are deliberately and knowingly promoting false historical narratives to less than informed viewers, which deserves to be called out for what it is.
Posted by LSUTigersVCURams
Member since Jul 2014
21940 posts
Posted on 12/23/16 at 9:45 am to
Hitler was one of the most brilliant motivators and persuasive orators in human history, and he was able to get the German people to all work together to rebuild their economy. That was his great strength. However, as a political theorist and a military tactician, he was basically a retard. That was his fatal weakness.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17024 posts
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:05 am to
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However, as a political theorist and a military tactician, he was basically a retard. That was his fatal weakness.


I disagree. He had a sharp mind. His biggest weakness was his narcissism, stubbornness, and dogmatic reliance on the supremacy of the concept of human will. He wasn't a military tactician, plain and simple. Few are and they tend to spend their entire lives training for it. That he decided he should be was the issue. He mixed his political beliefs into the equation of military strategy and that was an absolute disaster. Stalin did this early in the war and it resulted in absolute disaster for the Soviets. As the war progressed, Stalin relented. Hitler did the exact opposite. He actually gave his generals great leeway early in the war, and when things began to turn for the worse, he blamed their lack of "will" and "aggression" and gradually began to exert more and more control.

In terms of dooming Germany's war effort, his narcissism was his biggest weakness. In terms of making him a notorious historical figure, his amorality was the driving force.
Posted by TIGERSandFROGS
Member since Jul 2007
3809 posts
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:11 am to
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No one is saying that people can't learn anything from the show that they didn't know before. But the premise of the show, and the entire theme of the show, revolves around the escape of Hitler, not postwar Nazis in general.



There have been plenty of documentaries about Nazi hunting and investigations around post war Nazi activity, which is what this is. "Hunting Hitler" just sounds catchier.
Posted by ChewyDante
Member since Jan 2007
17024 posts
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:21 am to
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There have been plenty of documentaries about Nazi hunting and investigations around post war Nazi activity, which is what this is. "Hunting Hitler" just sounds catchier.


So the show isn't about exploring the notion that Hitler himself escaped? I don't watch it, so I don't know. According to the OP and the discussion of this thread, that's exactly what the show is investigating. So it sounds like more than just a catchy title or a program that up front acknowledges that Hitler died in the bunker and is merely about investigating the lower level figures who escaped through the Odessa network. Obviously the show has impacted how many people in this thread view Hitler's fate though, so I think the program is a little more than just that.
Posted by tidalmouse
Whatsamotta U.
Member since Jan 2009
30706 posts
Posted on 12/23/16 at 10:30 am to
Every time a Thread about Hitler comes up a couple of Tennessee fans sing his praises.

Strange.
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