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Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:18 pm to davyjones
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I 'magin she'll get somewhere in the neighborhood of 350 hundred. Or 350 thousand. 350's gonna be in it though.
she would do much better if she hired an attorney from the quad, just sayin'
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:18 pm to 777Tiger
That's definitely where the better attorneys are.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:20 pm to davyjones
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That's definitely where the better attorneys are.
yeah I know, they either don't have connections and are just trying to build a resume or they have no choice but to go the indentured servitude route
ETA: disregard reply, hell yes the best lawyers practice in the quad!!!
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 2:22 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:21 pm to JudgeHolden
Ok 
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:21 pm to Barstools
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Except that's not what she was doing
There is video.
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She was setting off car alarms
The "s" on the end of alrams implies there was more than one.
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You don't have to make up lies to make your point.
Like adding an "s" to alarm?
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your argument is weak and flawed.
Well now my feelings are just hurt. You took my tongue in cheek BS and took it a little too much to heart. You're a big, fat, meanie face.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:34 pm to Hangit
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Well now my feelings are just hurt. You took my tongue in cheek BS and took it a little too much to heart. You're a big, fat, meanie face.
Quite the melt.
If she has murdered someone and then gone and sat in a corner and was not doing anything when the police showed up theb she's innocent?
I'm just trying to understand your point since you cant seem to make it clear on your own.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:34 pm to Hangit
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Well now my feelings are just hurt. You took my tongue in cheek BS and took it a little too much to heart. You're a big, fat, meanie face.
Quite the melt.
If she has murdered someone and then gone and sat in a corner and was not doing anything when the police showed up then she's innocent?
I'm just trying to understand your point since you cant seem to make it clear on your own.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 2:35 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:47 pm to NoSaint
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I think I just come at it with expecting the cop to mostly nail it as a job he’s trained to do and the citizen likely to be coloring a bit outside the lines in a rare and intimidating moment (especially if drunk, high or mentally unwell).
A lot of times we hold the citizen to a very high standard and let mistakes of the officer slide quickly which always feels backwards. That’s not to say you have to crush a guy immediately on every minor slip, but I’d have liked to see a bit more humanity towards someone that clearly wasn’t in a good spot and was unlikely to follow the script in an ideal way.
I agree with this to some extent....but then you would have people bitching as to why it takes two hours to get police to show up else where.
Compare it to your day job, do you ever find yourself saying certain customers/accounts/whatever are stupid and why do they do some of the crap that do. I don't have time to cater to people in my job and I don't expect the officers of law to do it either. If I'm out of line, tase my arse, lock me up, and move on...guess what though, that's never happened to me...I act accordingly and shite goes smoothly. Could it have went better, absolutely....but that's entirely on the person being questioned/detained. Everything was by the book in my opinion and she shouldn't get paid shite, wouldn't get paid shite if I was part of the jury....you want to be a bitch, do it inside the walls of your house, we've all done it, some of us just respect public places as we should.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:47 pm to Barstools
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Quite the melt.
Yes. Melt.
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If she has murdered someone and then gone and sat in a corner and was not doing anything when the police showed up theb she's innocent?
If there was no evidence that the cop had seen that she had done anything beyond sitting there like a garden gnome? Sure, she must be busted up.
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I'm just trying to understand your point since you cant seem to make it clear on your own.
The point has been made clearly throughout this thread that she has to identify herself if he suspects her of a specific crime. There was no crime committed. I think he gets a pass until he has established that no crime has been committed. She was wrong for walking away.
He was wrong for escalating it like she was a giant man that had just punched him in the mouth. He had many options and took almost the worst one. Thank God he didn't shoot her. She became non verbal because he was acting like a dick.
Do you get it now, Fredo?
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:47 pm to Barstools
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If she has murdered someone and then gone and sat in a corner and was not doing anything when the police showed up then she's innocent?
If the cop had the same amount of evidence as he had in this case? ie-zero?
I really get a kick out of the authoritarian lovers. Going to be a kick in the teeth for them when this country devolves into real socialism where this sort of police conduct is the norm.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 2:53 pm to Steadyhands
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I’d have liked to see a bit more humanity towards someone that clearly wasn’t in a good spot and was unlikely to follow the script in an ideal way.
This is how I remember the cops when I was a youth. Helpful, friendly, willing to look the other way on minor shite and they certainly didn't try and trump up charges.
These days the mentality, even in small town WI, is to get as many people under their thumb as is possible and they don't care what tactics they use to do it.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 3:21 pm to Hangit
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He was wrong for escalating it like she was a giant man that had just punched him in the mouth. He had many options and took almost the worst one.
She is the one that escalated the situation. She's the one that started cussing at him, she's the one that stood up and got belligerent, she's the one that was drunk and fell over when he tried to detain her.
She should have just sat her drink arse on the ground and listened to the cop until he finished the investigation. It was HER actions that caused the situation to go the way it did.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 3:26 pm to BuckyCheese
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If the cop had the same amount of evidence as he had in this case? ie-zero?
She was the belligerent drunk that was unwilling to cooperate and tried to leave the scene of a reported crime.
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I really get a kick out of the authoritarian lovers.
I'm not an authoritarian by any means but there is one group of people you should always obey and comply and it's the police.
Getting belligerent and ignoring police officers orders will get you put on the ground with force (or worse) and I will have zero sympathy for you.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 3:27 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 3:35 pm to Barstools
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She is the one that escalated the situation
She was minding her own business when he arrived. He asked her a bunch of leading questions, trying to get her to confess to a crime she did not commit. There actually was no crime committed. As I have stated though, she should not have tried to leave.
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She should have just sat her drink arse on the ground
That is exactly what she was doing before he arrived and started investigating the great crime that never happened.
Are you really OK with a big man throwing a small woman to the ground, making her bleed and causing brain damage, when she was clearly non-violent, and in no way a threat to him or anybody else? Her only avenue of escape was down the stairs where two other officers were standing.
I am not ok with our police force causing heinous injury to citizens that are drunk and non-violent. Especially small, weak, non-violent women.
Your advocacy of beating women is not commendable.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 3:54 pm to Barstools
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If she has murdered someone
A drunk girl trying to open up her ex-husband's car and setting off a car alarm is not against the law! Now if she had smashed the window, that would be something significant.
Fourth Amendment
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"the facts and circumstances within their knowledge and of which they had reasonably trustworthy information" would lead a prudent person to believe that the arrested person had committed or was committing a crime.[85] Probable cause to arrest must exist before the arrest is made. Evidence obtained after the arrest may not apply retroactively to justify the arrest.[86]
That cop had no clue has to whether the girl had tried to break into the car (assuming the car window wasn't smashed). He had a call. So what? A crazy old cat lady may have called it in thinking it was a car break in instead of a domestic dispute. The guy did not know at that point if a crime had occurred.
Policemen have an incredibly tough job and don't get paid half of what they should. But, consideration of a citizen's rights is the primary difference between American law enforcement and the Gestapo.
Posted on 8/25/19 at 4:15 pm to RougeDawg
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Policemen have an incredibly tough job and don't get paid half of what they should. But, consideration of a citizen's rights is the primary difference between American law enforcement and the Gestapo.
Well said. It's a pretty substantial power to be able to fully suspend a person's freedom to move about and have independent control over themselves. We accept and approve of that power capability over us in the name of protecting and serving, but in exchange we expect the utmost competence in the exercise of that authority and reasonably expect definitively corrective action in instances of abuse of that power (and trust).
I really dont know where we stand with that as a society if it's common to passively accept that having a bad attitude or cursing at a police officer is acceptable cause to invoke arrest power.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 4:16 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 4:46 pm to RougeDawg
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A drunk girl trying to open up her ex-husband's car and setting off a car alarm is not against the law!
Except it is if she doesn't have permission to enter the vehicle. Which is what the officer was trying to determine when the drink bitch got belligerent and tried to leave the scene where she was being detained pending the investigation.
The only person to blame is the lady. If she wasn't acting like such a drunk kunt her ex wouldn't have had to take the daughter and leave the situation. He would have been at the car, no alarm would have gone off and the police wouldn't have been called.
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 4:48 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 4:53 pm to Barstools
So she gets police called out for something she didnt do, arrested for something she didnt do, lost her shite over being arrested for something she didnt do and received severe injury in the process.....all justifiable because she was a drunk bitch?
This post was edited on 8/25/19 at 4:54 pm
Posted on 8/25/19 at 4:53 pm to Barstools
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drink bitch
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drunk kunt
You sound like the kunt here.
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