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re: How Powerful was Carlos Marcello?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:14 pm to BeepNode
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:14 pm to BeepNode
quote:NO was never an intellectual capital, like Paris in the 19th century or NY 1920s-1950squote:lol no it wasn't. At least not more so than a few other cities like Cincinnati, Denver, and San Francisco.
NOLA was considered the Paris of the west
I mean, Montreal and Buenos Aires existed back then too.
It was more like a Franco-American Havana, devil's playground in the middle of Dixie
NO downfall is due to three factors: demographics, backward thinking elite, and the rise of of other Southern cities. The ascent of Houston was probably unstoppable, but there is no obvious reason Dallas and Atlanta ("NY's southern branch office") had to become as big and powerful as they are, if NO people had understood the future.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:15 pm to TigenPenn
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Serious question. David Ferrie. Was he connected? I know Oswald and Ruby were. And was Clay Shaw real part of the plot or just Garrison's imagination?
The guy I know is a different dude, a guy I grew up with entered this world and is in a looney bin in cenla now (central). He told me about these guys and lived in a slut house at the end of Royale. This was the 90s, some old queers were running Marcellos extortion back then.
But Ferrie was a contractor with the C_A...paid wholesale. He was Barry Seal before Barry Seal...he flew for the Dons as well. He was in that picture with Oswald with the Cuban anti-revs.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:15 pm to BeepNode
It absolutely was. It was literally called that. It was the third largest city in the US and the largest in the South. A major financial capital and, in the days before rail, EVERYTHING came through New Orleans.
Read Rising Tide by John Barry if you don’t want to sound like a dipshit when the subject comes up again.
Read Rising Tide by John Barry if you don’t want to sound like a dipshit when the subject comes up again.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:16 pm to Kafka
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It was more like a Franco-American Havana, devil's playground in the middle of Dixie
NO downfall is due to three factors: demographics, backward thinking elite, and the rise of of other Southern cities. The ascent of Houston was probably unstoppable, but there is no obvious reason Dallas and Atlanta ("NY's southern branch office") had to become as big and powerful as they are, if NO people had understood the future
Totally agree, but will add: NO has serious geographic drawbacks
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:29 pm to TigenPenn
He kicked out Al Capone and Frank Costello’s men trying to set up gambling in NO. That’s directly from Lucky Luciano’s biography. So he definitely had some major clout.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:30 pm to TigenPenn
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Been told by someone who worked for him
His cab driver?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:30 pm to Vacherie Saint
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It absolutely was. It was literally called that.
So was Cincinnati, San Francisco, Montreal, and even fricking Denver. NOLA homers can call it whatever they want, it doesn't make it true.
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It was the third largest city in the US
.. in 1840, and only because urban parts of Philly were separate cities and not incorporated yet.
The Marcello family didn't rise to power until the mid 1940's. NOLA stopped being a top 10 city by 1890.
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A major financial capital
The mafia wasn't skimming off legitimate corporate finances. They skimmed off gambling, drugs, construction, etc along with extortion and protection rackets.
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sound like a dipshit
Myopic NOLA homers sound like dipshits. NOLA was left behind by human progress. NOLA was not the ONLY city in the Americas that considered itself to be the Paris of the West. Cincinnati was moreso considered that than NOLA, and Montreal surpassed NOLA bigtime by the 1900's.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:32 pm to Vacherie Saint
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It absolutely was. It was literally called that. It was the third largest city in the US and the largest in the South. A major financial capital and, in the days before rail, EVERYTHING came through New Orleans.
Link? Maybe largest in the South but absolutely not 3rd largest in the US. Probably not top 20 at the time.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:32 pm to Kafka
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NO downfall is due to three factors: demographics, backward thinking elite, and the rise of of other Southern cities. The ascent of Houston was probably unstoppable,
This has been posted before but this 77 article spells out New Orleans pretty well. It’s honestly a hilarious read
LINK
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New Orleans: I Have Seen the Future, and It's Houston For many who love New Orleans, the changes that accompany commercial growth inspire fear—but in the meantime the city's economy stagnates and its population declines
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For the past century or so, New Orleans has been a city that has gotten by on charm alone. Very few people here seriously consider New Orleans part of the "New South" or of the "Sunbelt" or of any other geoeconomic entity conjured up in the past two decades. And, until a few years ago, hardly anyone in New Orleans minded being left out. New Orleans might be poor, but it is happy. In fact, during last year's mayoral race, one of the candidates ran TV commercials that showed a bustling skyline with a voiceover ominously intoning, "Do you want New Orleans to become another Houston?"
Despite the fact that New Orleans has perhaps the finest natural location in the country for commerce, the city's economy has stagnated for at least twenty years. Population has declined; unemployment is among the highest in the South; and New Orleanians have remained among the poorest in the nation. Little has changed since the 1970 Census, which showed that out of the fifty largest cities in the country, New Orleans had the highest percentage of families living below the federal poverty level: 21.6 percent, against 18.4 percent for second-place Newark. New Orleans also ranked last among the fifty cities in percentage increase in median family income between 1960 and 1970, and forty-third in median years of education per adult.
I love this bit
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The Superdome did not, however, turn out to be the greatest building in the history of man, or even the second greatest. It was beset with cost overruns and political scandals. Voters in 1966 were told that the Superdome would cost $35 million, the same as Houston's Astrodome, which it would dwarf; instead, the final figure was $165 million. The Dome was supposed to make an operating profit its first year; instead, it has shown a large deficit for each of its three years of operation, and no one today seriously thinks the Dome will ever come close to paying for itself. Last year's operating loss was $5.5 million, not including debt service, which runs to $10 million a year. In fact, the Dome costs $50,000 a day to keep open—whether it is used or not.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 11:35 pm
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:33 pm to TigenPenn
He killed two kennedy’s (or worked with CIA to do it)
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:36 pm to Kafka
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NO was never an intellectual capital, like Paris in the 19th century or NY 1920s-1950s
It was more like a Franco-American Havana, devil's playground in the middle of Dixie
NO downfall is due to three factors: demographics, backward thinking elite, and the rise of of other Southern cities. The ascent of Houston was probably unstoppable, but there is no obvious reason Dallas and Atlanta ("NY's southern branch office") had to become as big and powerful as they are, if NO people had understood the future.
NOLA's elites were so wrapped up in their krewes, clubs and debutante societies that they didn't notice the ground shifting under their feet. Now it's too late. They wouldn't let outsiders into their little cliques so of course no major corporations wanted to locate there. C Level executives aren't accustomed to being looked down on. Suddenly the world has passed them by and now even their own children and grandchildren are leaving for greener pastures--while still coming back for Carnival season.
That's only part of it, and probably not the biggest part, but it's something I've noticed as an observer with no skin in the game.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:36 pm to James11111
quote:Gino Marino
Who told you that? What was his name?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:39 pm to Marlo Stanfield
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The 5 families had to check in with him before they sent someone down here or made a big move.
Also, this is ridiculous. They did check in, as it was etiquette, but Marcello was installed as the boss of the NOLA family by one of the NYC families and some of Marcello's most lucrative arrangements were given to him by that NYC family. The Genovese family treated the Marcello family as an extension of their own.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:39 pm to TigenPenn
Life Magazine wrote an article in 1970 about how Marcello allegedly had a man in the state department of revenue and could get you a tax abatement for a price. The revenue guy sued Time Life for slander. I haven't been able to find how it turned out. Won't mention his name because he still has family in BR.
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:43 pm to TigenPenn
Never heard of this fella. Anybody got book suggestions?
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:52 pm to TigenPenn
By whom? All I see is a book about judges
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:52 pm to TigenPenn
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Anyone knew him on this board?
Closest I think I ever got to knowing him was probably a 3rd nephew twice removed or some shite.
Still carried the Marcello name. Son of a prominent attorney in the area that everyone knows. Heard some shite, but it is what it is as to whether it is the truth. Allegedy had to be helped out in Cuba or something like that.
Guess the dad is still playing the politics game, so probably some truth to it.
This post was edited on 11/20/21 at 11:58 pm
Posted on 11/20/21 at 11:53 pm to tunechi
Very interesting story.
1959 - US govt starts investigating organized crime. The committee - led by the Kennedy’s - went after Marcello. He refused to testify, invoked 5th Amendment.
1961 - US govt deports Marcello to Guatemala. Like dropped him there with nothing but the clothes on his back.
Shortly after this stuff was going on JFK was killed in 1963.
His old restaurant Moscas is still open in Avondale. Great food.
1959 - US govt starts investigating organized crime. The committee - led by the Kennedy’s - went after Marcello. He refused to testify, invoked 5th Amendment.
1961 - US govt deports Marcello to Guatemala. Like dropped him there with nothing but the clothes on his back.
Shortly after this stuff was going on JFK was killed in 1963.
His old restaurant Moscas is still open in Avondale. Great food.
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