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re: How does road construction take so long

Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:52 pm to
Posted by bird35
Georgia
Member since Sep 2012
13414 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 7:52 pm to
The guys working on the crew have a steady job with benefits where they don’t work very hard.

And

When the job ends they are not guaranteed another job. No need to rush.

Heck, some of those guys are trying to stretch the job until they retire.

Posted by not Jack
Texas
Member since Jan 2018
486 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 10:14 pm to
Crew of 4 gets to job site with only one shovel. Lead calls the supervisor and tells him they are three shovels short. The supervisor tells him they can all four lean on the one shovel until he gets there.
Posted by Cymry Teigr
Member since Sep 2012
2138 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:13 pm to
quote:

I know its a scam because I see videos of the dutch/germans building shite in a weekend that takes a year here.


Decades ago when they were planning on rebuilding part of the inner loop in Brussels that involved excavating for tunnels and lowering the roadway completely the authorities there came up with what to my mind is still one of the most brilliant solutions ever to lessen impact on traffic: they brought in their army engineer division and in one night had them erect their mobile bridges to build a temporary viaduct system for several miles so traffic could continue uninterrupted above the work area. Each time they needed to move a little further along they brought them in again and added to the viaduct span.
Posted by WhiteRussianDude
Member since Feb 2023
409 posts
Posted on 6/6/23 at 11:20 pm to
I’ve lived in central Houston since 1998. Shepherd Drive (4 lanes North-South, about two miles west of downtown) has been under construction for the entirety of my life here. Not kidding. Going on 25 yrs. I do not recall a time when it didn’t have traffic cones and lane closures. I also have no idea what they are doing. It’s not getting wider. I haven’t seen new drainage boxes added. The “new” concrete is even started to deteriorate. It would be funny if it wasn’t infuriating
Posted by Deplorableinohio
Member since Dec 2018
7150 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:08 am to
Skyscrapers are not built faster.

The Empire State Building was built in 11 months with no fatalities. Steel was from Bethlehem Steel.

Was in Vancouver, Canada a week ago. Road crews went out in the city. Three people. All had shovels. All fillers in holes. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing.

They actually filled holes in less than an hour and moved on.

Why can’t we?

Because we’re Americans. You know. The best and the brightest.

/s
Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 1:26 am to
Money
Posted by lostinbr
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Oct 2017
12630 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:19 am to
quote:

Liquidated damages is a pretty good incentive

LD’s are great on paper, but have to actually be enforced. If they aren’t enforced, they can be problematic:

- State issues an RFP for a project. RFP has significant language around liquidated damages.
- Company A (shitty local contractor with connections) submits a low-ball bid.
- Company B (more reputable, larger contractor) submits a compete bid that accounts for all provisions in the RFP.
- State goes with the low bid because they’re the government and they have to.
- Company A fricks the job up, has quality issues, and blows the schedule.

Here’s what should happen:
- State documents all quality issues and schedule overages.
- State fully enforces all liquidated damages, bends Company A over, and refuses to pay extra for anything that was clear in the RFP.
- Company A takes a huge loss on the project and either folds or has to bid the next one correctly.
- Next time there’s an RFP, bids should be better because there are consequences.

Here’s what actually happens:
- Quality issues and schedule overages get swept under the rug because Company A has connections.
- LD’s don’t get enforced because they aren’t documented correctly and/or the state doesn’t want to put Company A out of business (again, connections).
- Company A gets change orders for all kinds of shite that should have been in their bid, and they make money on the project.
- Next time there’s an RFP, Company A wins again.
- Company B says “frick this” and doesn’t bother bidding anymore.

At least in Louisiana, this happens far too often. You get shitty contractors winning jobs because they’re willing to take more risk knowing their buddies will bail them out if it goes south. The bid process itself is highly scrutinized, but there’s a ton of room for maneuvering once a project has been awarded and there are less eyes on it.
Posted by Mottleduk
Moss Bluff
Member since Nov 2009
561 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:34 am to
You ever pass through I -10 from Orange to Beaumont? That construction has been ongoing since my sophomore year in hs (1992).
Posted by Trevaylin
south texas
Member since Feb 2019
9600 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:43 am to
Large projects can also be timed longer to match the funding schedule available to the govt authority
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
72021 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:45 am to
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Public sector. They have no incentive to move quickly.


Very little of the paving done in this country is done by public employees. The vast majority is done by private paving companies.

By the way, if you want to become a millionaire rather quickly, starting a paving company is one of the fastest ways to do it.
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
88347 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 9:47 am to
quote:

if you want to become a millionaire rather quickly, starting a paving company is one of the fastest ways to do it.



can you cut me a deal on the heavy equipment?
Posted by i am dan
NC
Member since Aug 2011
30374 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 2:22 pm to
quote:

They’ve been “working” on I-65 in Kentucky and Southern Indiana for years. It was supposed to be completed in 2020. They’re still working on it.


Now they have covid as an excuse.
Posted by Cajunhawk81
Member since Jan 2021
2511 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 3:54 pm to
quote:

The lowest bidder who is the cousin of the mayor wins the government contract to do the work.


FIFY
Posted by tss22h8
30.4 N 90.9 W
Member since Jan 2007
18791 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 4:03 pm to
Here's a hint: Does most of the work take place around election time?
Posted by Cajunhawk81
Member since Jan 2021
2511 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 4:05 pm to
quote:

Meanwhile in Japan, this took a week to fix…


Hory shite!!!
Posted by beulahland
Little D'arbonne
Member since Jan 2013
3967 posts
Posted on 6/7/23 at 5:03 pm to
Government inspectors make it take so long.
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