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re: How can you catch cancer in its early stage of development?

Posted on 10/25/16 at 3:51 pm to
Posted by TU Rob
Birmingham
Member since Nov 2008
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Posted on 10/25/16 at 3:51 pm to
Read up on self checks and get at least a physical and blood work done routinely. My little sister has been cleared of breast cancer for a few years now. She did not have any family history, was too young by all standards, and she had some pain that wouldn't go away. She's had several surgeries and a round of chemo and radiation.

And if you're older, get checked more often. My grandmother passed of Leukemia two years ago. She was one of those skinny old ladies who had never been sick in her life. She was diagnosed with multiple myeloma after losing her appetite and slowly losing weight. Several months later she went to get checked out. A couple of months later they told her it was full blown leukemia. It was so far along that she quit treatment since it was making her feel even worse. She lived a good long life, but if she had gone to the doctor earlier they might have been able to slow the progress and given her years instead of the 6 months she had after her initial diagnosis.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
18653 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 3:52 pm to
T.M. from a town on the LA/MS border
Posted by SuwMwf
Member since Jul 2012
1052 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 3:59 pm to
MD Anderson wasn't my first choice. I was just going to treat at home, but they caught something on pathology my home hospital didn't. So I am making the trek to Houston. Have radical hysterectomy, lymphadectomy etc in about 2 weeks. Haven't started any other treatment yet. Hopefully surger will be curative and there is a good chance of that. I'll feel better after 5 years of follow up. ??Good luck to yourself and thanks for your support.
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 4:02 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 4:06 pm to
Standard response (screening):

Close follow by a knowledgeable primary care physician

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NCCN Guidelines for Patients


LINK


Undervalued response (primary prevention through practical lifestyle recommendations and PROPER dietary recommendations for the masses...):

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9 Steps To Perfect Health


non-pdf version


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Despite these considerable advances, we’re sicker and fatter than ever before. Consider the following:
Excess weight now accounts for one in three deaths among middle aged people in the US each year.
• A billion people around the world suffer from diabetes and obesity.
• 600 thousand people die of heart attacks in the US each year.

• One-third of Americans suffer from high blood pressure, which contributes to almost 800 thousand strokes every year.
• 50 million people in the US—one in six Americans—suffer from autoimmune diseases like Hashimoto’s, rheumatoid arthritis, multiple sclerosis, and Crohn’s disease.
• Depression is now the leading cause of disability, affecting more than 120 million people worldwide.
Unfortunately, there’s every indication that things are going to get worse before they get better. This is the first generation of American children that are expected to live shorter lifespans than their parents. If current trends continue, 95 percent of Americans are expected to be overweight or obese within two decades, and one in three will suffer from diabetes.


See link below with mTOR (IGF-1 pathway)

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Finding a Balance Between Building and Repair: Part 1


LINK

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Finding a Balance Between Building and Repair: Part 2 Intermittent Fasting


LINK





Ever wonder why obese people look older than their stated age...

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Building (growth) is an anabolic process that happens when mTOR is turned on. Stimuli such as resistance training and eating protein (especially the branched-chain amino acid leucine) turn the mTOR switch on. The hormone insulin also turns on the mTOR building pathway. This effect of insulin should come as no surprise to readers of Strong Medicine (SM pages 107-108) as we discussed insulin as a hormone of growth and storage.

As Dan Cenidoza covered in his Strength after Sixty post, the anabolic pathways of building are crucial to grow and maintain muscle mass especially as we age. Not enough of “turning on” the mTOR switch can lead to sarcopenia and frailty in old age.

At the extreme end of the mTOR building pathway is cancer. By the simplest definition, cancer is uncontrolled cell growth. Recent science has shown that many cancer cells have abnormally high mTOR signaling, putting them is a perpetual state of growth. People with insulin resistance (SM p. 180) have higher levels of insulin in their bloodstream at all times which keeps the mTOR switch activated. Thus, it is no surprise that those with insulin resistance/diabetes are known to have increase risk of cancer.

We also now know that high levels of sustained mTOR activation can lead to accelerating aging in many species, including humans. With this information in mind, it becomes evident that getting the proper “dose” of mTOR activation is key.

We need enough “turning on” the mTOR building (growth) switch to prevent the loss of muscle mass so crucial for healthy aging, but no so much that we accelerate the aging process and become at increased risk for diseases such as cancer.


mTOR is always {ON} in our ever sicker/obese population of folks eating multiple small meals of mainly carbohydrate/sugar centric fare (AS THEY WERE ADVISED TO...)

This road to hell was paved with the "good intentions" of trying to avoid dietary fat/cholesterol...

"Different/radical" response (rethinking what we know about cancer...)

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Potential Tactics for Defeating Cancer — A Toolkit in 1,000 Words


LINK

see the links at the bottom of the piece linked above (and listed below)

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There is a deluge of writing about cancer.

Below, I’ve suggested a top-10 list of articles as starting points. Some are for lay audiences, some are technical, but all are worth the time to read. Here you go:

Looking for articles to pass to your parents, or to read as a lay person? Read these, in this order:
1. Non-technical talk by Craig Thompson, Pres/CEO of Sloan-Kettering
2. Science piece written about cancer (for non-technical audience) by Gary Taubes

Have a little background and want the 80/20 analysis, the greatest bang for the buck? Read this:
3. Relatively non-technical review article on the Warburg Effect written by Vander Heiden, Thompson, and Cantley

Peaking on modafinil during a flight to Tokyo? Want to deep dive for a few hours? Here are three recommendations, in this order:
4. Detailed review article by Tom Seyfried
5. Review article on the role of carb restriction in the treatment and prevention of cancer
6. Talk given by author of above paper for those who prefer video

Want four bonus reads, all very good? As you wish:
7. Moderately technical review article by Shaw and Cantley
8. Clinical paper on the role of metformin in breast cancer by Ana Gonzalez-Angulo
9. Mouse study by Dom D’Agostino’s group examining role of ketogenic diet and hyperbaric oxygen on a very aggressive tumor model
10. Mechanistic study by Feinman and Fine assessing means by which acetoacetate (a ketone body) suppresses tumor growth in human cancer cell lines


LINK

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An Old Idea, Revived:
Starve Cancer to Death
In the early 20th century, the German biochemist Otto Warburg
believed that tumors could be treated by disrupting their source
of energy. His idea was dismissed for decades — until now.

BY SAM APPLEMAY 12, 2016


edited for PDF concern
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 5:52 pm
Posted by MBclass83
Member since Oct 2010
10068 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 4:39 pm to
There are blood tests that are called tumor markers that are somewhat specific for different cancers. They are used only as a monitoring of treatment tool. They are not 100% accurate in detecting cancer and insurance won't pay for them as a screening test. PSA is the exception, of course.
Some of tumor markers are
CEA
CA-125
CA-2729
AFP
Ca-15-3
CA 19-9
PSA
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
Here
Member since Jan 2011
70856 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 4:41 pm to
I don't know frick about medical stuff. My theory is we've all likely got extremely early stage cancer in some form or another early in life.
Posted by Pepe Lepew
Looney tuned .....
Member since Oct 2008
37816 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:33 pm to
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Blood work.


Sorry, but this didn't show anything with my Hodgkin lymphoma....
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:41 pm to
Blind linking to a .pdf should be a ban-able offense
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:47 pm to
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Blind linking to a .pdf should be a ban-able offense


I quoted text below it???

Any other specific concerns for linking a .pdf. I plead ignorance on the consequences of this (but would like to understand the mistake)?

Posted by gazelles
Member since Apr 2011
1324 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:49 pm to
MRI once a year starting at 20
Posted by TigerBait1127
Houston
Member since Jun 2005
47336 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:49 pm to
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Any other specific concerns for linking a .pdf. I plead ignorance on the consequences of this (but would like to understand the mistake)?



pdf's are a source of vulnerabilities and usually a direct download. They aren't just documents, it can contain malicious content.

Also, data consumption. Just add a Link Title with .pdf at the end
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:51 pm to
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pdf's are a source of vulnerabilities and usually a direct download. They aren't just documents, it can contain malicious content.

Also, data consumption. Just add a Link Title with .pdf at the end


Roger that. Thanks for the heads up (I normally do not link pdfs). Will delete/replace
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:55 pm to
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MRI once a year starting at 20


Good luck with that...

The false positive/incidental finding/unnecessary testing/biopsies/life of constant worry will be strong with you...
This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 5:58 pm
Posted by gazelles
Member since Apr 2011
1324 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 5:57 pm to
I'll never die of cancer though
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:04 pm to
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I'll never die of cancer though


Debatable. You may detect things (all sorts of things) sooner than everyone else. Survival is a whole different issue.

Literally no screening protocols call for this (out of concern for harming low risk folks unnecessarily).

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We all die. A better strategy is to learn to "live" better...

Buddhist / Zen shout out...

Get your shite together Bodhi




This post was edited on 10/25/16 at 6:11 pm
Posted by whit
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
11041 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:09 pm to
I was just talking with someone about this. My mother, father both died from cancer. I'm 36. My mother died when she was 43 from lymphoma and my dad at 62 from mesothelioma. My grandmother on my moms side had breast cancer at 68 but beat it. I'd like to start getting regular tests. I did usual check ups and blood work until the end of 2015 and I had blood work done a month ago for insurance. Nothing came back unusual. I'd like to do some kind of scan every 6 months or so from this point on. It I know it's probably expensive as hell.
Posted by gazelles
Member since Apr 2011
1324 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:12 pm to
Well I've done it yearly for 8 years, takes 1 hour and no false positives. They just compare each picture to the year before for changes. Even if they found something I wouldn't be worried. I'd just die of early detected cancer.
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24024 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:14 pm to
The routine blood test are CBC and Chem14. Usually a Urinalysis also. If your doctor is into ordering a lot of work he will throw in some thyroid tests and a PSA. Maybe a Mag and Phos.

the CBC will show if you have any type of leukemia or any type of cytopenia....which can be pre-cancerous or blood cancer. The chem 14, mg and phos do not point out any cancer, but may lead a doc to look at more testing. The thyroids can lead the doc on that route. PSA, obviously can really point out the need for further testing. Except, for some leukemias (and thats with a pathologist interpretation of the CBC), few blood tests will tell a doc you got cancer without further testing
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11315 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:15 pm to
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Well I've done it yearly for 8 years, takes 1 hour and no false positives. They just compare each picture to the year before for changes. Even if they found something I wouldn't be worried. I'd just die of early detected cancer.


How old are you (if you do not mind me asking)?
Posted by jeffsdad
Member since Mar 2007
24024 posts
Posted on 10/25/16 at 6:16 pm to
Seems like there was a big cancer study just recently that tried to answer why some people get cancer and some don't.

They seriously came up with "bad luck".
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