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re: Hotel housekeeper may have prevented a July 4th Mass Shooting in Chicago
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:55 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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It happens a lot here, and it's never nefarious. Just some hunter forgetting a gun, or forgetting to unload.
I appreciate your opinions and think you've made a clear argument, but aren't you in Alaska?
All other arguments and opinions aside in this thread, comparing those settings - a nice hotel in downtown Chicago v. Alaska - is just silly.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 1:57 pm
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Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:56 pm to WDE24
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who already have felony charges and let them walk.
You know police don’t set bail, right?
Absolutely.
No sure where you came up with that, but it fits the rest of your posting here.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:57 pm to CatfishJohn
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a nice hotel in downtown Chicago
Is it your opinion that people don't bring firearms to nice hotels in Chicago? People who don't live in CHicago?
You know, people who travel other places and it's never an issue?
Posted on 7/7/21 at 1:57 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:It was the multiple posts where you said police wouldn’t let him walk if they had feelings or thoughts…
No sure where you came up with that
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:02 pm to WDE24
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It was the multiple posts where you said police wouldn’t let him walk if they had feelings or thoughts…
Feelings or thoughts? I simply mean evidence or reason.
You're just making silly assumptions.
If the police have reason to tie this dude to something more than simple criminal possession, he would not have walked.
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:04 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Is it your opinion that people don't bring firearms to nice hotels in Chicago? People who don't live in CHicago?
You know, people who travel other places and it's never an issue?
It is of my opinion that it is far, far more rare for a hunter to bring his guns and ammo to a hotel in Chicago than it is in Alaska so it is one of many very unique aspects of this story.
In a vacuum, if a guy just had a couple guns in his hotel room, I agree, this wouldn't really raise my eyebrows.
When you put everything together (traveling alone, chambered round, 5 loaded mags, weapons on window sill, window overlooking massive crowd, etc.) it certainly seems suspicious. I don't think you can arrest him on anything serious without some proof of his intent, nor would I advocate that, but that proof isn't always simple to find.
And he could've had a good explanation. But the facts as we know them, I believe, make this whole thing very suspicious.
You disagree, that's ok. I respect your opinion.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:07 pm to RogerTheShrubber
quote:Those words all have different meanings which are pretty significant in the context of detaining someone and bringing criminal charges.
Feelings or thoughts? I simply mean evidence or reason.
quote:Again, please be specific and quote my assumptions.
You're just making silly assumptions.
quote:If they had evidence, of course not. That’s different than if they have suspicion, thoughts, or feelings he might have been up to something else. Thankfully, those suspicions, thoughts, or feelings, without more, are not enough to bring more serious charges that might keep him detained.
If the police have reason to tie this dude to something more than simple criminal possession, he would not have walked
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 2:10 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:07 pm to CatfishJohn
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It is of my opinion that it is far, far more rare for a hunter to bring his guns and ammo to a hotel in Chicago than it is in Alaska
Most people do what they are accustomed to doing. It has little to do with the hotel and more to do with the people.
Its likely common even in Chicago for people to have loaded firearms in their room.
Most are smart enough to not causally leave them laying around, you know...like the Mass murder did.
Because mass murders always leave a string of clues, like guns laying on around the room for maids to find
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 2:08 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:12 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Most people do what they are accustomed to doing. It has little to do with the hotel and more to do with the people.
Its likely common even in Chicago for people to have loaded firearms in their room.
All I said was it is far, far more rare for this to happen in Chicago than Alaska so that comparison is silly.
And then I said this aspect, paired with the other facts of the case, is what makes this suspicious. I don't think a guy with a concealed carry in a hotel in Chicago is remotely suspicious.
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Most are smart enough to not causally leave them laying around, you know...like the Mass murder did.
I never called him a mass murderer, nor even advocated he be incarcerated.
But you're basically saying what I'm saying here in that it is very weird to have the guns out the way he purportedly did. Add in the fact he was alone, they were chambered, they were on a window sill, and the window overlooked a big crowd paints a suspicious picture.
Could be a misunderstanding, I never said that was impossible either. But with the facts we have, it seems suspicious to me.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:13 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Because mass murders always leave a string of clues, like guns laying on around the room for maids to find
Honestly makes me think he's crazy. Or beyond stupid and reckless.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:16 pm to CatfishJohn
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very weird to have the guns out the way he purportedly did
If you're going to kill a bunch of people, absolutely. Nothing gives away your plan like leaving firearms unattended.
My biggest problem is having one loaded, for which there is no reason except self defense. But he wasn't even present, there was no reason for a loaded rifle in the room. Mags, yes. Rifle, no.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:20 pm to RogerTheShrubber
FWIW, I think it is unlikely he was planning a mass murder and more likely he didn’t want to leave his guns in his car. He was reckless and created this scenario. However, the possibility does exists that there was something nefarious planned and I think it’s worthy of investigation.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:20 pm to momentoftruth87
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Seems like a baw with no negative intentions though
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:25 pm to WDE24
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You think I’ma progressive because I said the circumstances were worthy of investigation and we don’t have enough info to know, while you have assumed you have it figured out simply because the guy has bail set.
You are an irrational thinker.
You can learn a lot about someone's intelligence by how logical and consistent their points are. I've learned all I need to about Roger in this thread
This post was edited on 7/7/21 at 2:26 pm
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:28 pm to WDE24
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FWIW, I think it is unlikely he was planning a mass murder
There ya go.
It's not that scary after all
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:28 pm to Bruco
Enforcement of laws against black people is RAYCISS! Because they disproportionately break laws, so enforcement and punishment is therefore doled out disproportionately... which can mean only one thing: RAYCISS!
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:29 pm to CatfishJohn
Yes. You fricking moron.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:29 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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RogerTheShrubber
Are you on the booze again? Whether or not you are right that this guy was just a regular baw with guns in his room, the way you've acted in the thread is embarrassing and borderline manic. You've somehow made a not unreasonable opinion sound absurd. You're not doing yourself or the people who are leaning to your side any favors.
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:30 pm to CatfishJohn
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Or beyond stupid and reckless
I go this route
Posted on 7/7/21 at 2:31 pm to Chucktown_Badger
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I've learned all I need to about Roger in this thread
You're the one who got all emotional and screamed how guilty this dude looked.
I've laid out actual points made in the article, you're just scared of a headline.
Simple people are easily persuaded.
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