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re: High school grade inflation is worse than you think
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:16 pm to SpidermanTUba
Charter schools. EVERYONE is smart now.
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Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:16 pm to CoachChappy
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Private schools come with their own unique issues.
Without a doubt.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:19 pm to The Mick
Charter schools could be a part of the larger answer I think....however the way this state has implemented them leads to low visibility into what they really are and thus leads to low accountability and what I feel is corruption at the level of the entity running the school....as mentioned by a previous poster.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:21 pm to SpidermanTUba
I had a 3.8 and was in the top 16% of my high school class.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:23 pm to Tuscaloosa
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If anything, I'd think it would have a lot more to do with the No Child Left Behind Act, which punishes schools for failing students
Could be wrong, but does NCLB really have much to do with inflated grades? IIRC, NCLB punishes schools that do not make AYP in standardized testing.
I'm not too educated on the provisions, though, so I could be wrong.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 12:25 pm
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:30 pm to arcalades
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LAZY Teachers are paid to babysit, not challenge students.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:32 pm to SpidermanTUba
The new teacher eval systems and allowing kids to "redo" a test they failed = EBRPSS. That equals inflated grades. If you go to public school in EBR, the only way you can fail is if you just rarely come. My teacher friends in EBRPSS say if you have perfect attendance and still never get a single question right on any quiz or test ever, you can still pass.
Hopefully, Warren Drake eliminates the "everyone gets a trophy" mindset that Bernard Taylor put into place.
Hopefully, Warren Drake eliminates the "everyone gets a trophy" mindset that Bernard Taylor put into place.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:33 pm to hoopsgalore
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Could be wrong, but does NCLB really have much to do with inflated grades? IIRC, NCLB punishes schools that do not make AYP in standardized testing.
Large portion of AYP in high school is based on graduation rates. Every student that doesn't graduate on time counts against AYP. That's why students who have no business passing a class or graduating are passed on through.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 12:34 pm
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:33 pm to SpidermanTUba
I know kids take LEAP tests and shite, but isn't that like every 4 years?
Could a possible solution be a statewide mandatory test at the end of every year, that isn't graded by teachers? Maybe outsource the making and grading of the tests? Basically like an ACT/SAT every year to determine if the kids pass or fail. Also, it would be good to not allow regular teachers to see them, and not divulge the tests to anyone outside the company designing them?
You could also average that in a 75/25 ratio with regular classwork. 75% of the student's grade being typical schoolwork, and the other 25% being the test
Could a possible solution be a statewide mandatory test at the end of every year, that isn't graded by teachers? Maybe outsource the making and grading of the tests? Basically like an ACT/SAT every year to determine if the kids pass or fail. Also, it would be good to not allow regular teachers to see them, and not divulge the tests to anyone outside the company designing them?
You could also average that in a 75/25 ratio with regular classwork. 75% of the student's grade being typical schoolwork, and the other 25% being the test
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:36 pm to SpidermanTUba
Not at my high school! I didnt have a 3.0 until i went to college. Our saluteadicktorian had a 3.4
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:37 pm to Tuscaloosa
Here is Alabama's AYP policy intro:
So, any student who doesn't graduate in exactly 4 years or less counts against graduation rates. Students who have to take summer school for one term following their senior year count against it. Ridiculous.
quote:
The federal No Child Left Behind Act (NCLB), enacted in 2002, holds states and the schools under their jurisdictions accountable for student performance. Proficiency on academic assessments must be the principal indicator of performance used under NCLB to determine whether schools are making adequate yearly progress (AYP). However, statewide accountability systems are also required to incorporate one additional academic outcome. At the secondary level, this “other academic indicator” must be the high school graduation rate.
NCLB defines the high school graduation rate as the “percentage of students, measured from the beginning of high school, who graduate from high school with a regular diploma (not including an alternative degree that is not fully aligned with the State's academic standards, such as a certificate or a GED) in the standard number of years.” Federal regulations, however, allow
states substantial flexibility over the specifics of graduation accountability. This includes choosing a formula for calculating graduation rates, setting goals for graduation rates, and establishing targets for improvement over time.
So, any student who doesn't graduate in exactly 4 years or less counts against graduation rates. Students who have to take summer school for one term following their senior year count against it. Ridiculous.
This post was edited on 7/16/15 at 12:40 pm
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:44 pm to Pectus
quote:Didn't you go to MHS? The AP/honors classes there were pretty solid back then. I was a shitty student and graduated with a 2.3. My only saving grace was the ACT
Pectus
Posted on 7/16/15 at 12:47 pm to SpidermanTUba
That isn't occurring where I'm at.
Not even close
Not even close
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:02 pm to Tuscaloosa
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What exactly do teacher unions have to do with inflated grades?
If anything, I'd think it would have a lot more to do with the No Child Left Behind Act, which punishes schools for failing students. The singularly worst piece of education legislation to have ever been passed probably.
Do we blame this on Obama or Bush???
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:03 pm to Tuscaloosa
Agreed. Ted Kennedy and John Boehner were the high profile authors for their respective parties.
It would be a decent law if schools were honest in their reporting and/or promotion of qualified students.
Sadly, schools are worse now, because students who have not earned promotion to the next grade are moved along so as not to jeopardize all that money from the Feds.
The federal government needs to get out of education and let states handle it.
It would be a decent law if schools were honest in their reporting and/or promotion of qualified students.
Sadly, schools are worse now, because students who have not earned promotion to the next grade are moved along so as not to jeopardize all that money from the Feds.
The federal government needs to get out of education and let states handle it.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:21 pm to SpidermanTUba
WTF is this thread about?
It's like everybody who sucked at school came in to make a statement.
It's like everybody who sucked at school came in to make a statement.
Posted on 7/16/15 at 1:28 pm to SpidermanTUba
It's because school districts want a good rating. Principals basically make teachers pass kids and give grades left and right in order to increase graduation rate, gpa average, etc
Posted on 7/16/15 at 2:30 pm to Ace Midnight
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You haven't been going to HS graduations for the past 6 to 8 years, then, baw, where they have 10 or 11 Valedictorians.
E.g. Jesuit High School, home of the 10 point grading scale and no less than half a dozen "valedictorians"
Benjamin Franklin has been cranking out more National Merit finalists and AP scholars for decades with the unforgiving 7 point scale and no need for inflation.
Boom roasted.
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