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re: Having kids while being poor
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:12 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:12 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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What the frick are you talking about? The income requirements are standard, doesn't matter if you live in the city or out in the fricking woods.
I don't think he's saying the requirements are different. He's saying if you live in the city, $30k doesn't go far this requiring assistance. Cost of living is much higher. Living in a rural area, $30k can go much further and they don't need help.
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Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:13 am to volod
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The irony of being pro capitalist (which most conservatives are) is that creates the perfect environment for mass consumerism.
this is mainly Keynesian economics, which is not really market-based (and a big reason why our government redistributes so much money)
now if you want to argue that a crony-capitalist system with an authoritarian state creating a dependent class and industrial oligarchies (Which is closer in description to our system than pure capitalism) prefers mass consumerism, then i'd agree fully
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:15 am to TH03
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I don't think he's saying the requirements are different. He's saying if you live in the city, $30k doesn't go far this requiring assistance. Cost of living is much higher. Living in a rural area, $30k can go much further and they don't need help.
y'all are both correct
lower COL in the rural areas but they still get help, especially hidden help like the EITC
that's a major issue with making so much federal assistance based on national groupings, esp in a big country like the US
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:18 am to SlowFlowPro
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lower COL in the rural areas but they still get help, especially hidden help like the EITC
True. Probably not deserved though. $30k can go a long way in the sticks. You don't really need help.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:21 am to TH03
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I don't think he's saying the requirements are different. He's saying if you live in the city, $30k doesn't go far this requiring assistance. Cost of living is much higher. Living in a rural area, $30k can go much further and they don't need help.
TH03
Bingoooo
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:23 am to HeyHeyHogsAllTheWay
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What the frick are you talking about? The income requirements are standard, doesn't matter if you live in the city or out in the fricking woods. Moron
No they are not. Rent in cities avg higher then rural areas. Which in turn, section 8 pays higher in cities.
I have no problem families wanting a second child with a 30K income. Hell, the wife and I made out fine with two kids and sending them to private school back in the 1980's-2000. At the start, our income was only 11K a year with No government assistance. We just did what we needed to do and were very happy enjoying our life.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:24 am to TH03
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True. Probably not deserved though. $30k can go a long way in the sticks.
a major, unreported reason why poor people love "poor" areas
why you don't see people in the lower class mindset who are on the dole move to cities that often. when you get used to a certain level of squalor/culture, there aren't that many advantages to living in the city, while there are many economic disadvantages
why states like LA really have no shot to improve. hell even areas like Nola get hit when areas improve because prices rise. that's why concepts like gentrification have taken on such a negative tone within the lower class cultures
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:24 am to fareplay
They're married, both work, and I'm assuming at least high school graduates. They'll be just fine.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:25 am to fishfighter
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No they are not. Rent in cities avg higher then rural areas. Which in turn, section 8 pays higher in cities.
that's only one part of the equation, though
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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a major, unreported reason why poor people love "poor" areas
Dat #KUNTRYLyfe.
For instance Prosper, TX 10 years ago was probably cheap as frick to live in. It's now ground zero for the next economic boom.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:27 am to fareplay
Poor people tend to be less responsible about sex and have unplanned kids.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:30 am to SlowFlowPro
Yeah I work out on the sticks east of Dallas. It's a different world. You'll see nicer houses and stuff, but it's all people who grew up there, made some money, and just upgraded there instead of moving into Dallas or somewhere else. You can get a mansion for $800k there that would be $1.5+ in Dallas.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:30 am to 50_Tiger
it becomes a very strange conversation to have with people who have never really interacted with the rural poor
like that report that just hit the newsstands about how parts of Alabama don't resemble anywhere in the first world or whatever
those people don't want change, or, at least, they don't want to invest their own resources (both personal and economic) in changing anything b/c of advantages they reap from the situation. the outsiders remove all agency from the poor people and assume nobody would ever make that choice (when the poor do, often)
when you restrict the conversation to remove culture and memes of cultures from the discussion, it can get very weird very quickly
like that report that just hit the newsstands about how parts of Alabama don't resemble anywhere in the first world or whatever
those people don't want change, or, at least, they don't want to invest their own resources (both personal and economic) in changing anything b/c of advantages they reap from the situation. the outsiders remove all agency from the poor people and assume nobody would ever make that choice (when the poor do, often)
when you restrict the conversation to remove culture and memes of cultures from the discussion, it can get very weird very quickly
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:31 am to jmarto1
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Poor people tend to be less responsible about sex and have unplanned kids.
Because for the most part poor people tend to be less educated about Time / Money value and opportunity cost.
Having kids with no financial foundation is a net loss.
Hell even right now in general, in order to be a parent, a large majority must sacrifice a creature comfort they are used to having.
shite is expensive, and outside of getting lucky with mom and dad inheritance I'm not entirely sure how folks get by making 30k a year in today's climate.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:32 am to TH03
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Yeah I work out on the sticks east of Dallas. It's a different world. You'll see nicer houses and stuff, but it's all people who grew up there, made some money, and just upgraded there instead of moving into Dallas or somewhere else. You can get a mansion for $800k there that would be $1.5+ in Dallas.
it always cracks me up when those areas get overtaken by urban sprawl
that happened in SLC over my young adult life and has exploded since then. SLC used to be country af and now it's super nice subdivisions with $300k+ houses all over (with many getting into close to 7 figures, and that's outside of the country clubs)
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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that happened in SLC over my young adult life and has exploded since then. SLC used to be country af and now it's super nice subdivisions with $300k+ houses all over (with many getting into close to 7 figures, and that's outside of the country clubs)
The DNT has had this effect on about ~25 miles of North Dallas
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
It's starting in one of my cities. It's only 45 minutes away from Dallas so cookie cutters are starting to pop up.
The rest of it is outside of DFW and is more East Texas style. A couple of bigger cities, but most are just highway side towns with more businesses closed and boarded up than open.
The rest of it is outside of DFW and is more East Texas style. A couple of bigger cities, but most are just highway side towns with more businesses closed and boarded up than open.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:35 am to TH03
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It's starting in one of my cities. It's only 45 minutes away from Dallas so cookie cutters are starting to pop up.
You talking about Athens baw?
I lived in Tyler for ~4.5 years.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:36 am to 50_Tiger
Yeah Dallas expansion is definitely trending more north than anywhere else. DNT extension and 75 widening north of 380 is making stuff blow up.
Posted on 12/12/17 at 9:37 am to 50_Tiger
Nah royse city. My territory is primarily off I30 and deviates off that. I don't go near I20.
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