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Ghosts of the Ostfront: A Review

Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:08 am
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:08 am
After much delay, I’ve finally got around to downloading and listening to Dan Carlin’s Hardcore History Series “Ghosts of the Ostfront”. For those unfamiliar with Dan Carlin he does a popular podcast series called “hardcore History” where he takes a period or event from history and discusses it at length. “Ghosts of the Ostfront” is a four part podcast covering the Eastern Front of World War II starting with the launching of Operation Barbarossa in June 1941 going to the fall of Berlin in May 1945.

First, I’ll discuss the good. I found Carlin’s accounting of the Eastern Front as compelling and factually correct as was his work in his World War I series, Blueprint for Armageddon, although far less detailed (more on that later). Carlin has a real talent for not just giving the facts of what happened, but also bringing to the listener a sense of what it was like for those who were there and lived through these events along with a good understanding how these events tie together with and lead to other events. He excels at laying out a story that allows one to gain a better understanding of history. In short, he makes history fascinating. In this regard, I found his work on Ghosts of the Ostfront excellent. Carlin’s use of quotes and firsthand accounts sprinkled around the factual matters of the Eastern Front throughout the series was especially enjoyable and served to bring Ghosts of the Ostfront to life. He did an excellent job giving insights into the thinking of the men who orchestrated the War in the East on both sides. He didn’t just tell what they did, but why they did those things. Then there is the matter of the impact of the war on the civilians caught in the middle of this nightmare, the Jews, the Russians, Poles, and even the Germans themselves. Carlin did a masterful job of giving the listener a view into what these peoples endured and how the war altered the lives of these groups for decades.

Now to the bad. While Carlin as usual does a masterful job at telling the story of his subject matter. I did end the series a bit disappointed. I was not let down by anything he discussed or said in the series, rather I was let down by what he did not say. My complaint boils down to the fact that he barely scratched the surface of the hell that was the Eastern Front of WWII. Yes he discussed matters such as the German invasion in 1941 and the Soviets stopping the Germans at the gates of Moscow that December. There was somewhat lengthy discussion on things like the Battles of Stalingrad, Leningrad, Kursk, Operation Bagration, the Polish Uprising, and the Fall of Berlin and the hell that brought to the German civilian population. But there was no mention of pivotal battles like the Crimea or the Battle(s) of Kharkov just to name two that come to mind right away. The fact Carlin seems to have simply skimmed the surface of the Eastern Front, hitting only the usual high points is made even more irritating due to the fact he discusses more than once in this series how Western Historians have long ignored or given short service to the study of the Eastern Front, and yet he is guilty of the same thing in Ghosts of the Ostfront.

Basically my main complaint boils down to the fact that Carlin leaves us wanting more. More details, more compressive analysis of the Eastern Front, just more. Yes Ghosts of the Ostfront was very enjoyable, there just was not enough of it. I come away from listening to Ghosts of the Ostfront feeling like I’ve just sat through a 9th grade World History class where the teacher (albeit a great teacher) is spending four days lecturing on the Eastern Front. Yes it was interesting, but it was still only a 9th grade level lecture.

My final verdict on Ghosts of the Ostfront is that it’s a compelling series, even if it’s incomplete. I really wish he’d have given more time to this series. Ghosts of the Ostfront is only four parts, to do the story of the Eastern Front justice, it should be at least twice as long. To anyone who does not know much about the Eastern Front, you will learn a good deal by listening to this four part series. To those who have a deeper understanding of the Eastern Front, you likewise will enjoy it, just be ready to come away wishing there was more.
Posted by terd ferguson
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Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:15 am to
One of my top 5 hardcore history episode series
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:15 am to
Well I see my thoughts on this podcast series are a hit with the OT ans are sparking an interesting discussion. Awesome.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:17 am to
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One of my top 5 hardcore history episode series


I enjoyed it and would reccomend it to anyone. I just wish he'd have given the Eastern Front the same amount of time as he gave WWI in his Blueprint for Armageddon series.
Posted by UpToPar
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:19 am to
Ghosts aren't real. I could have saved you a lot of time.
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Posted by OysterPoBoy
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:20 am to
I like watching his old stuff on YouTube. That's a funny SOB.
Posted by terd ferguson
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Posted by fr33manator
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:21 am to
If you look at the progression of hardcore history they have gotten longer (for the bigger subjects) as time goes on. So he's hearing that people want more, I think.

I mean, BfA is what, close to 24 hours!? And Wrath of the Khans was a 5 part?

It takes a LONG time to produce such high quality stuff. I think your criticism is undeserved.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:22 am to
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I come away from listening to Ghosts of the Ostfront feeling like I’ve just sat through a 9th grade World History class where the teacher (albeit a great teacher) is spending four days lecturing on the Eastern Front. Yes it was interesting, but it was still only a 9th grade level lecture.


he doesn't pretend to be much more than that. His series isn't for people with a Masters in history.
Posted by lsujro
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:23 am to
what are your favorite hh series? i am about 75% through blueprint for armageddon and i love it. it's the first hh series i have listened to. looking for where to go next.
Posted by Dire Wolf
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:26 am to
quote:

what are your favorite hh series? i am about 75% through blueprint for armageddon and i love it. it's the first hh series i have listened to. looking for where to go next.



i loved blueprint. Warth of the Khans is my favorite since i have loved all things Ghengis Khan since i was a kid.

Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:27 am to
quote:

what are your favorite hh series? i am about 75% through blueprint for armageddon and i love it. it's the first hh series i have listened to. looking for where to go next


I'm my opinion, Blueprint for Armageddon is without a doubt his best work. I'd probably rank Wrath of the Khans second.
Posted by lsujro
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:28 am to
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i loved blueprint.


i will probably re-listen to it all before long. i did not have much knowledge about WW1 beforehand. the podcast definitely made me want to learn more about it
Posted by Jim Rockford
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:29 am to
Here's an 18 part documentary series from the Russian point of view. Very complete, including the air war and the war at sea, with the glaring exception of not mentioning the Holocaust at all. LINK
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:30 am to
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i loved blueprint.


i will probably re-listen to it all before long. i did not have much knowledge about WW1 beforehand. the podcast definitely made me want to learn more about it


The fact it sparked an interest in you along with a desire to learn more, that's a good thing.
Posted by terd ferguson
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:33 am to
I heard that he said Princip was only able to assassinate FF because he just happened to be grabbing a sandwich when FF's car passed by... that true?
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 8/9/16 at 9:34 am to
quote:

Here's an 18 part documentary series from the Russian point of view. Very complete, including the air war and the war at sea, with the glaring exception of not mentioning the Holocaust at all. LINK


I've never seen this. Thanks!
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