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re: Friendly no smoking reminder: Starting in June, no smoking in bars and casinos
Posted on 5/27/18 at 1:59 pm to Rhino67
Posted on 5/27/18 at 1:59 pm to Rhino67
quote:I agree, and the ability to choose by the business owner solves this issue, in my view
is that people should be left to themselves so long as their actions do not hurt others.
quote:so debate with you is also pointless because your mind is already irrecoverably made up
This is why it is a waste of time to debate this issue: the question is already answered. Smoking should be banned in all public places, period.
quote:nobody is ignoring this. We can all.agree that everyone knows the risk of smoking. I am for allowing adults to make their own decisions. You appear to approve a nanny state.
ignore that the SMOKER ALSO CHOSE TO GO INTO THAT SAME BAR.
quote:again, that works both ways. Flips the script, and you get the same answer
“If you can’t deal with it, you can go to another place” ... we have a word for that. It’s called selfishness.
quote:no. Government exists to serve the people as the people see fit
It’s why government exists.
quote:then contact your legislator and put group together to make it illegal
Your freedom to smoke is infringing upon my freedom to breathe
But you won't. You will continue to pointlessly bitch on a message board
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Posted on 5/27/18 at 1:59 pm to Rhino67
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The idiots who don’t favor this ban, who are saying that the non-smoker chose to go into that bar, ignore that the SMOKER ALSO CHOSE TO GO INTO THAT SAME BAR.
Yeah no shite? It’s a smoking bar so of course the smoker would choose to go to that one. Just as the non smoker would rationally make the decision to go to a non smoking bar.
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If you can’t deal with it, you can go to another place” ... we have a word for that. It’s called selfishness
It’s called letting people make their own choices and letting the market decide which is the right one for the business owners
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:02 pm to Rhino67
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This ban in June will expand our liberties. The vast majority of the population who doesn’t smoke will be able to breathe in public again. The minority who does smoke can still smoke at home, or even a certain distance from the public place. It’s an expansion of liberties whether you believe it or not. Also, the recent lift on the prohibition of sports betting is a good example of an expansion of liberty. The lifting of the federal ban on gay marriage is another one. It’s an expansion of liberty even if you don’t like it. Government makes rules for society, not for just you.
I don’t see the connection between telling people they can’t do something and telling business owners they aren’t allowed to market to a certain part of the market and two personal freedom issues that are being resolved by the Government giving you choices you didn’t previously have (being able to gamble, or marrying whoever you want)
In fact I believe they are completely opposing ideals
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:04 pm to wildtigercat93
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It’s called letting people make their own choices and letting the market decide which is the right one for the business owners
Then vote the people out making the laws.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:07 pm to LSUsmartass
Just another reason to avoid Baton Rouge. Lake Charles has better casinos anyway
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:07 pm to wildtigercat93
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This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 5:56 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:11 pm to Rhino67
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The business owner’s stupid decision is causing a rise in my health insurance premiums when he all of a sudden gets cancer from secondhand smoke and I have to pay for it. Again, his dumb decision is hurting my wallet.
Come on
Come the hell on
Can say the same for the eating and drinking habits of anyone. You do seem to be all about the nanny state, and that is your perrogative.
quote:read that. Just read it.
My mind is not irrecoverably made up. You’re acting like this is a debate. There is no debate.
You are not worth having any level of discussion on this topic
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:17 pm to Restomod
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Makes you wonder where all the trashy people will now congregate...
It’s still BR. There are no shortage of places
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:17 pm to wildtigercat93
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you think the American people are unable to make choices for themselves
They are. It is proven over and over again.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:21 pm to Rouge
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This post was edited on 6/4/20 at 5:56 am
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:25 pm to Rhino67
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The business owner’s stupid decision is causing a rise in my health insurance premiums when he all of a sudden gets cancer from secondhand smoke and I have to pay for it. Again, his dumb decision is hurting my wallet.
The government has mostly been blowing smoke up our asses about the dangers of 2nd hand smoke. This came out a few years ago but wasn't widely publicized.
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A large-scale study found no clear link between secondhand smoke and lung cancer, undercutting the premise of years of litigation including a Florida case that yielded a $350 million settlement.
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The article in the Journal of the National Cancer Institute details a study of 76,000 women over more than a decade, which found the usual link between smoking and cancer. Lung cancer was 13 times more common in current smokers, and four times more common in former smokers, than in non-smokers.
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The study found no statistically significant relationship between lung cancer and exposure to passive smoke, however. Only among women who had lived with a smoker for 30 years or more was there a relationship that the researchers described as "borderline statistical significance."
Forbes
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:25 pm to Rhino67
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You can eat a quarter pounder meal every day of your life from McDonald’s and still lose weight. EVERY whiff of tobacco smoke, from all involved, is ALWAYS harmful. There are 70 cancer-causing compounds in tobacco smoke whether you inhale your cigarette or I do.
But but but.... murica!
The idiots in this thread somehow think it is a rights issues and are ignoring the issue of what is being banned.
It is like arguing that it should be legal to serve listeria because free market will eventually sort out the restaurants.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:32 pm to fallguy_1978
That's the second time you've linked that one article that you think should supercede many many more studies and articles.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:33 pm to LNCHBOX
fallguy is going on record that second hand smoke is fine.
I love when someone takes such a stance.
I love when someone takes such a stance.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:42 pm to LNCHBOX
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That's the second time you've linked that one article that you think should supercede many many more studies and articles.
I'll get you another one baw.
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It now turns out that the influential 1993 EPA report “Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders” was as phony as a three-dollar bill. State officials and private businesses that believed that ETS was a public health danger (and not just a nuisance) were completely misled by the EPA. And, of course, so was main street American public opinion.
Cato Institute
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:44 pm to Rouge
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Chalk up another L for freedom and consumer/employee power of choice
Smoking is disgusting and trashy. You are free to have the power of choice to be disgusting and trashy in your Doublewide
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:47 pm to Rhino67
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People in this thread are talking about freedom. One of the core libertarian tenets of freedom, as stated by political philosophers like John Stuart Mill, is that people should be left to themselves so long as their actions do not hurt others.
I agree, and people who do not venture to smoking bars be it by work or fun are not exposed to second hand smoke.
It doesn’t have to be all or nothing. You can still make room for everyone by allowing the free market to work these things out, and they already do with smoke free and smoke friendly establishments. Now, for those places where one has to access like government buildings and the like, I agree that they should be smoke free, but these kinds of restrictions do not allow for freedom and liberty in the slightest. They kill it.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:49 pm to Scruffy
Smokers down voting like crazy
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:50 pm to Mike da Tigah
I linked a list of smoke free bars in BR earlier. There were already tons of them, many some of the more popular places in the city.
Posted on 5/27/18 at 2:53 pm to fallguy_1978
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Cato Institute
The Koch brothers have been denying tobacco related deaths for decades and have been funding research propaganda for just as long.
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