re: Forgotten Horrors: Ant-Walking Alligators of Hiroshima

This thread has officially run its course.

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I don't know shite about WW2 and quite frankly, I do not give a frick.

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It's not that I believe everything I say, it's that I want to be told why divergence from the norm is so very wrong.

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I would say divergence from the norm is wrong when the person, you in this instance, admits to not even knowing what the norm is. fricking moron.

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And here is the reason you posted that tired, contrary statement about Hiroshima being an act of terrorism... you want to distinguish yourself from the "masses." You gave it no real consideration and you certainly didn't desire to stimulate dissonance in others, you just wanted to stand out in the crowd.

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No. I'm just surprised by the ease with which everyone accepts the narrative that there was absolutely, positively, no better course of action.

Well, that "act of terror" saved more lives compared to storming the beaches of Japan. Those two bombs accounted for somwhere between 127,000 - 249,000 Japanese fatalities - here's some estimates of what would have occurred if we had use the alternative strategy (U.S. casualties alone):

Studies estimating total U.S. casualties were equally varied and no less grim. One by the Joint Chiefs of Staff in April 1945 resulted in an estimate of 1,200,000 casualties, with 267,000 fatalities. Admiral Leahy, Chief of Staff to the Commander in Chief, estimated 268,000 casualties (35%). Former President Herbert Hoover sent a memorandum to President Truman and Secretary of War Stimson, with “conservative” estimates of 500,000 to 1,000,000 fatalities. A study done for Secretary of War Henry Stimson's staff by William Shockley estimated the costs at 1.7 to 4 million American casualties, including 400,000-800,000 fatalities.

Well, seeing as defeating japan and Germany opened the door for far worse atrocities (at least numerically) by the communists...I'd say it really doesn't matter which "good guys" win the war. Humans will always figure out a way to be horrible.

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Sure it saved lives in the moment but what about the sixty some odd years that followed this act of war?

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What about it?

All criticism. No suggestions.

Boom Roasted

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We're all ears, general.

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The Third Leg

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I've already said I don't know. That doesn't mean I'm ready to accept our course as the best

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How can you still be attempting to debate something you know nothing about?

At least give us something other than nothing. Hell, I'll even pull out an alternative from thin air:

What if we demonstrated the nuke a few miles off the Japanese coast to show those frickers that we weren't playing around - to show them that we indeed had an incredibly powerful game changing weapon?

Perhaps that would've convinced them to surrender without further casualties.


I mean, at least you could've posted something like that! But, noooooo...you retort with crap like, "I don't know the solution, but I know that it wasn't the best course of action."

You've lost all credibility on this site.

















But I respect you as a troll!

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Biggest act of terror in man's history.

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You are admitting to be an uneducated contrarian. You are literally saying "I know nothing about this topic but I believe the experts were wrong even though I can't explain in any way how they were wrong."

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Actually, I am saying they could have been wrong.

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You've lost all credibility on this site.

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That shite cuts deep.