re: For those of you who work for a company that mandated the vaccine. What did you do?

Hundreds of millions have gotten the shot. Ain’t too worried about impacts.

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They are younger and haven't started having kids yet. They didn't want to risk it until more is known.

Has there been any indication of a fertility risk?

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We are done having kids so I have never cared to investigate the rumor about it that was going around when the vaccines just came out.

I will also point out that the other cohorts also had several young females drop out of the program due to the same reason.

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Can you provide some sort of evidence that "a significant portion" of the 5.63 billion doses administered have led to "aggravating symptoms"?

What is a "significant" portion in your mind?

This line of argument is really among the weakest of the anti-vaccine arguments.

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He was talking about filling Tiger Stadium with 100,000 people and the small number of post vaccine Myocarditis cases. There are numerous persistent issues post vaccine and they are finally starting to study some of them. They are vastly under reported because who are you going to tell? You call your primary care doctor and he doesn't report anything unless you go in for a visit. You call the place you got the vaccine and they say "okay." As I posted earlier, I know two healthy persons close to me who have lasting side effects from the Pfizer vaccine. One has persistent ringing in her ears that is driving her crazy and the other is having horrible cramping and bleeding. Both only got the shot because Ochsner was making work difficult for them. I researched just those two issues and came up with many people complaining the same thing the doctors claiming it was a coincidence or they just "didn't have enough information yet"...sound familiar? Neither reported these issues to health care as they know nothing will be done about it. There are many reports of flu like symptoms, fatigue, body aches, cramps, tinnitus, heart palpitations etc. out there, you just don't want to look. If you are under 40 and are of decent health, those problems scare you much more than COVID.

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I'd be pretty pissed too. I'd also be pretty pissed if I got struck by lightning while getting eaten by a bear out in the Gulf of Mexico. But, let's face it - the odds are extremely low that either will happen to me.

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Well you wouldn't have brought the lightning strike or bear attack upon yourself like the irritating and scary side effects that can happen after getting an unnecessary substance injected into your body if you are young, healthy and either "survived" COVID or didn't get in in 18 months. Why would I get the vaccine if I "survived" it twice in 18 months, have natural antibodies that may last longer than the vaccine, don't want to deal with possible ringing in my ears, and I CAN STILL GET SICK AND SPREAD COVID IF I'M VACCINATED? Makes no fricking sense for me to get it right now.

I'm going to monitor how these vaccines continue to work or not work with the variants and how future vaccines are looking. Novavax is showing minimal side effects compared to Pfizer and is much better at handling delta.

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You're absolutely correct. Let's use your numbers for my example. I think it's fair to safely assume that of those 2.8 million doses they didn't study every single person that had myocarditis so I'm going to fudge the numbers a bit for my example.

Let's also add Guillain-Barre syndrome which is a known side effect of the vaccine, and how about Bells Palsy, let's throw that in there too and those are only the ones I'm aware of there are likely more. I'll just say it's the same incidence rate that you mentioned for each since it's no big deal.

Tiger stadium holds 102k people. They are giving a shot to every one there. 75% of the folks will receive 100 dollars for getting the shot. 25% will not receive any benefit but if they get the shot will make the other 75% feel better. Oh... By the Way, 3 people that are in the stadium are walking away with a life altering illnesses caused by taking the shot.

You still going to play "Russian roulette" with those odds for absolutely no benefit?

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Where are you getting these weird percentages and magnitudes?

Your example may be more reasonable if you said that for some, getting the vaccine is a significant contributor to remaining alive if contracting Covid vs the alternative, so for them the payoff is greater than $100.

As a note, Guillain-Barre and Bells Palsy are not "known" side effects of the every vaccine out there. As someone stated above, maybe a little less stylishly than I'm about to - post hoc, ergo propter hoc. "After the thing, therefore because of it." It is fallacious to assume, without any other credible information, that the vaccine alone cause this issue. Just like the ringing ears thing.

There is significant evidence that the vaccine reduces infection rate, transmission rate, hospitalization rates, death rates, and reinfection rate. For many in the population who have significant and critical underlying conditions for which there is no quick cure, the vaccine is worth a lot more than $100.

So for you to say there's "absolutely no benefit" is a self-serving statement grounded in nothing but your desire to win an argument on the internet.

I got the shot.
its not that big of a deal. Pfizer seems to not last long. Needs boosters etc. Hopefully that also means side effects are minimal.

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what? what am i making up? sissy little bitch

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Please post the EO where the President is mandating private companies to require vaccinations. The only thing you could possibly point to are those private companies who take federal dollars as a large part of their operating revenue. And if they don't want to comply, they're free to stop accepting Medicaid/Medicare patients.

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They are vastly under reported because who are you going to tell? You call your primary care doctor and he doesn't report anything unless you go in for a visit. You call the place you got the vaccine and they say "okay."

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Wait, I'm confused. You are saying that these issues are so serious that the people having these issues aren't bothering with going to the doctor to talk about it? Odd.

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As I posted earlier, I know two healthy persons close to me who have lasting side effects from the Pfizer vaccine. One has persistent ringing in her ears that is driving her crazy and the other is having horrible cramping and bleeding

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How do you know unequivocally that these are the result of the Pfizer vaccine? I can speak anecdotally as well - I know four people who got the Pfizer vaccine and have no lasting side effects.

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Neither reported these issues to health care as they know nothing will be done about it.

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This is a major loophole in your whole story. These issues must not be serious if your friends don't care enough to report them to a medical professional. There is literally a system for reporting these events, and medical professionals are encouraged in some cases and required by law in others to report.

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There are many reports of flu like symptoms, fatigue, body aches, cramps, tinnitus, heart palpitations etc. out there, you just don't want to look. If you are under 40 and are of decent health, those problems scare you much more than COVID.

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Flu like symptoms scare people more than Covid? Doesn't Covid give people flu-like symptoms?

I got the shot and had fatigue and body aches after the 2nd dose, like I was told I might. Do these things scare you?

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Why would I get the vaccine if I "survived" it twice in 18 months, have natural antibodies that may last longer than the vaccine, don't want to deal with possible ringing in my ears, and I CAN STILL GET SICK AND SPREAD COVID IF I'M VACCINATED? Makes no fricking sense for me to get it right now.

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I like how you put the word "survived" in quotes as if it's possible you didn't in fact survive. Either way, your continued insistence that it's somehow likely or even probable that you'll have a ringing in your ears after the vaccine shows me that you really are just trying hard to find a reason not to get vaccinated, rather than just owning that you don't want to. It's okay, I don't really care if you get vaccinated or not. But I'd attempt to find a better reason to hang on to.

Either way, the vaccine wasn't advertised as a 100% foolproof method for not getting Covid or spreading it. Not sure why anyone would think that's reasonable. But it is nearly 100% effective at preventing severe cases of Covid-19. That's been demonstrated pretty clearly at this point.

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I'm going to monitor how these vaccines continue to work or not work with the variants and how future vaccines are looking. Novavax is showing minimal side effects compared to Pfizer and is much better at handling delta.

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I think that's wise. But I wouldn't expect anything different with Novavax. 90-ish percent effectiveness at preventing infection. And they also have reported issues with fatigue, headaches, and muscle pain (which are scary).

Do not quit!!
Make them fire you.

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Do not quit!!
Make them fire you.

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Quit/fire doesn't matter...

No severance and nearly all hospitals require it for employment anyway unless you summit to weekly testing and full time N95 masks.

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Employer ought to fire any employee who comes to work positive with COVID if they refused incentives for vaccinations.

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