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FFL gun transfer question.

Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:34 pm
Posted by QuiteTheConundrum
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:34 pm
Buying the gun from Buds online and being shipped to an FFL. Will it matter if the name on the billing adress / payment is different than the person who is actually receiving the transfer ?

Posted by Maverick01
Member since Sep 2015
581 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:35 pm to
That's a really dumb question.
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
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Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:36 pm to
Outdoor board

And yes. All names must match or it is considered a straw purchase

ETA: At least that is what the gun shop near my house told me
This post was edited on 9/26/15 at 9:43 pm
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68251 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:36 pm to
no, you should be good. when i do transfers, i dont even see the order sheet. itd be like someone buying you a gift gun and telling you to go pick it up. just make sure your license and shite is current
Posted by QuiteTheConundrum
Member since Dec 2013
1140 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:36 pm to
Figured so
Posted by QuiteTheConundrum
Member since Dec 2013
1140 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:38 pm to
Well it was supposed to be a gift and was just gonna get paid for and I would go do the background check and take the transfer. Never done this before.
Posted by Maverick01
Member since Sep 2015
581 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:43 pm to
quote:

And yes. All names must match or it is considered a straw purchase



Dude shutup. You're giving this guy wrong info. Carson is correct.
This post was edited on 9/26/15 at 9:45 pm
Posted by TigerTatorTots
The Safeshore
Member since Jul 2009
82343 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:44 pm to
Tell the guys over at Arms Merchant in Mandeville to give correct info to their prospective customers then
Posted by QuiteTheConundrum
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:47 pm to
So Carson is right ? I know he works for Bowies. But this isn't something I want to just do and cause a big snafu without being sure.
This post was edited on 9/26/15 at 9:48 pm
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68251 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:50 pm to
make sure you explain the circumstances when placing the order and contacting your chosen transferor.

specify who will pick up the gun and when you call your transferor to request that they send their FFL, specify for them to include FOR: John Q Smith with the order number when they fax/email it in. Inform Bud's as well. it always sounds sketchy if you don't say it's a gift, so I'd say it was a gift if I were you

we've done gift orders before with no issue. just have to prepare ahead. speak with the place at which you'd like to do the transfer in advance. they're the ones who have the final call and they could refuse to do the transfer (which would be an error)

bottom line: plan ahead. make sure it's okay with the FFL. it is legal though
This post was edited on 9/26/15 at 10:01 pm
Posted by Maverick01
Member since Sep 2015
581 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

So Carson is right ?


Yeah, he's spot on.
Posted by QuiteTheConundrum
Member since Dec 2013
1140 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:14 pm to
Thank you sir. Called Bowies today to see if they had this particular pistol but no dice.

But anyways, paid for it myself. They can gift me the money later. Will be easier most likely.
Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68251 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

Called Bowies today to see if they had this particular pistol but no dice.


4" FNS-9?

quote:

But anyways, paid for it myself. They can gift me the money later. Will be easier most likely.


word. will be less work on your part.
Posted by QuiteTheConundrum
Member since Dec 2013
1140 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:29 pm to
Yea

Posted by Carson123987
Middle Court at the Rec
Member since Jul 2011
68251 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:30 pm to
yeah bro, my bad. we dont carry much FN in-house because they just don't move for us. we usually special order em and get em in a day or two. ordered an FNS-L last week
Posted by Ace Midnight
Between sanity and madness
Member since Dec 2006
96265 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:36 pm to
quote:

it is legal though


Carson - correct me if I'm wrong - but the problem occurs when the person on the 4473 and who takes possession isn't the ultimate "purchaser" of the gun.

4 scenarios:

A. I'm buying the gun for me. I fill out the 4473 and I pay for, receive the gun.

B. I'm buying the gun as a gift for someone else. I fill out the 4473, pay for and receive the gun. I transfer the gun to the giftee at a later time.

C. Someone is buying the gun for me - they pay for it and I fill out the 4473 and receive the gun.

D. I'm buying the gun on someone else's behalf. They are the ultimate purchaser, but I fill out the 4473 and take possession of the gun.

Only D. is considered a straw purchase according to the FFL, unless I'm mistaken.

I think B. is only a problem if it is known (or, lawyer talk, reasonably should be known) that the giftee is ineligible to possess a gun - and I think that's only a problem for the person making the gift, not the FFL.
This post was edited on 9/26/15 at 10:37 pm
Posted by QuiteTheConundrum
Member since Dec 2013
1140 posts
Posted on 9/26/15 at 10:48 pm to
quote:

yeah bro, my bad. we dont carry much FN in-house because they just don't move for us. we usually special order em and get em in a day or two. ordered an FNS-L last week


Yeah Jim's is the only place in town that had one. Wanted to handle it. When I called everybody else and they didn't have it either, I told the person that Buds would be best. I like employees at Jims, always been helpful. But high as giraffe pussy on everything.
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