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Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:53 am to Kujo
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If you're drunk enough to not be able to handle a curve in the road without killing yourself, you're drunk enough to drift over into a head on collision killing othe
completely and totally incorrect
bullshite. You're an idiot if you think someone is so drunk they can't handle going through a curve won't also be apt to drift over into the oncoming lane.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:54 am to Darth_Vader
It's not even up to the Feds to decide this is a state/local issue. But then again who follows the constitution anymore? Yay more big government!!!
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:54 am to Jcorye1
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30% is still a huge number, and I bet they fell between .08 and .15
How many of those accidents are actually caused by said alcohol though? If someone is .25, alcohol was obviously the largest contributing factor. .08 it starts to get murky.
and how many were .08-.11 vs .12-.15
would you believe it to be on purpose if you were to find that most of the deaths between .08-.15 were .13-.15? I dont understand why people accept being lied to.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:55 am to PearlJam
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My wife and I often go to dinner and each have a drink (sometimes two). Neither of us is impaired. Why shouldn't one of us drive home?
IMO, one or two drinks should not be an issue. I'm as anti-drunk driving as they get but one or even two drinks is not going to affect the average person to the point they cannot safely handle operation a vehicle on the highway.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:56 am to Darth_Vader
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bullshite. You're an idiot if you think someone is so drunk they can't handle going through a curve
handling a curve while driving normal speed, is not the same as a dumb kid taking a 35 MPH turn at 60 MPH
.25 drunk drivers aren't going 100 mph and drift into oncoming traffic, they are probably even driving slower than the speed limit
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 10:58 am
Posted on 1/15/16 at 10:58 am to Darth_Vader
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I'm as anti-drunk driving as they get but one or even two drinks is not going to affect the average person to the point they cannot safely handle operation a vehicle on the highway.
Exactly. My point is, the criminality of driving after having consumed alcohol should be based on scientific evidence regarding bac levels at which impairment happens.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:01 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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If you plan to drink, have a designated driver. It's not really that hard to do.
This is a ridiculous blanket statement and shows you are not being reasonable from the jump. Because it is perhaps easy for you does not mean it is such across the board. These threads always bring out the logical fallacies in full force.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:04 am to Kujo
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handling a curve while driving normal speed, is not the same as a dumb kid taking a 35 MPH turn at 60 MPH
.25 drunk drivers aren't going 100 mph and drift into oncoming traffic, they are probably even driving slower than the speed limit
The point you're missing is if they're drunk enough to take a 35 mph curve at 60 mph, they're drunk enough to drift into the oncoming lane. Drunk is drunk. it's not like you first lose your ability to judge speed then a bit later you lose your ability to handle a curve then finally you lose your ability to keep it in your lane. Your whole point is absurd.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:06 am to Kujo
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.25 drunk drivers aren't going 100 mph and drift into oncoming traffic
.25 is pretty smashed for most people. They can easily drift into oncoming traffic at those levels.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:08 am to Darth_Vader
quote:That's not true. There are different levels of drunk and different levels of impairment depending on the level of drunkenness.
Drunk is drunk
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:09 am to Kujo
The point is, at what point is the percentage of innocent lives lost acceptable
Even if it's 15% between .12-.15 and 10% between .10-.12
I would still say the .08 is fair if it covers even just the remaining 5% of deaths
Even if it's 15% between .12-.15 and 10% between .10-.12
I would still say the .08 is fair if it covers even just the remaining 5% of deaths
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:10 am to PearlJam
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That's not true. There are different levels of drunk and different levels of impairment depending on the level of drunkenness.
But don't you agree that is someone is drunk to the point they don't know to slow down below 60 when taking a 35 mph curve is also drunk enough to drift over into the oncoming lane? That's the point I was making.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:13 am to Darth_Vader
quote:is this like a tree house? Or one of those doll house things
n the rare occasion when I feel like tying one on, I can do that at the clubhouse
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:13 am to CAD703X
lol
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:14 am to Darth_Vader
It's an obvious point too
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:15 am to Darth_Vader
Probably. I think studies have shown fears and inhibitions are decreased when drinking before loss of coordination takes place. However, I suspect a lot of the lane crossing and missing curves is a result of losing consciousness or extreme drowsiness.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:19 am to Old Sarge
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The point is, at what point is the percentage of innocent lives lost acceptable
Even if it's 15% between .12-.15 and 10% between .10-.12
I would still say the .08 is fair if it covers even just the remaining 5% of deaths
Ok, let me try to explain what I was saying. A guy who is blowing .25+, the accident is 100% because of alcohol. He may have been checking his phone or drifting, but even then the decision making skills are not there, and most likely would have had an accident regardless of the phone check.
A guy who blows .08 but got into an accident checking his phone could have avoided the situation relatively easily.
Obviously alcohol effects everyone differently, and I would never advocate drinking heavily and driving, but the numbers get sketchy from .08 to .12 because alcohol is automatically assumed to be the cause of the accident when a lot of people are still very capable of decision making and driving at that point.
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:22 am to Jcorye1
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still very capable of decision making and driving at that point.
But still impaired
Posted on 1/15/16 at 11:24 am to PearlJam
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I suspect a lot of the lane crossing and missing curves is a result of losing consciousness or extreme drowsiness.
a kid is speeding and wraps his mustang around a telephone pole, and you think he fell asleep at the wheel?
It's my belief that he was traveling at excessive speeds because he was inebriated(liquid courage phase), not the falling down drunk who can barely get his keys into the ignition.
I do not believe that those with HIGH BACs(.2+) are speeding around places, they do, instead,things like run red lights and drift into oncoming traffic which cause deaths.
I do believe that liquid courage accidents(0.08-0.15) are single vehicle accidents(that may results in deaths of driver and the vehicle's passengers)
This post was edited on 1/15/16 at 11:26 am
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