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re: FBI officially Investigating California shooting as a act of terrorism
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:28 pm to Ace Midnight
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:28 pm to Ace Midnight
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but it seems incomprehensible to leave evidence bags, shredded documents, etc. without additional exploitation.
It seems incomprehensible to me that they weren't in the apartment all day today looking for more evidence and possible clues. They know this shite was terror related... why are they not trying to piece the puzzle together to see how big it might be?
There is no logical explanation as to why there weren't forensics people in the apartment much less why there wasn't anyone guarding it.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 2:29 pm
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Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:28 pm to Rhino5
And not a single local law enforcement type was around to prevent it. Literally the biggest week of any of their careers and they all stay away from it all. makes sense.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:29 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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I however could swab it for DNA and have these swabs analyzed without ever having to remove it from its location.
I'm sure they swabbed at obvious locations, doorknobs and such - so, I'm tracking with you on that, but all the stuff left behind that would have been bagged and tagged - an iPhone (working or not - exploitable with the correct equipment), shredded docs and evidence bags shows me it was an incomplete exploitation without any other information needed. That's res ipsa loquitor.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:29 pm to NYNolaguy1
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That came from the LA times who was NOT in the house.
So it wasn't cleared. That's so incredibly obvious. The door was nailed shut with plywood, there's evidence (and evidence bags) all over the place, and bomb making supplies all over the place.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:29 pm to YumYum Sauce
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Literally the biggest week of any of their careers and they all stay away from it all.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:30 pm to Ace Midnight
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I know they have the computer hard drives and stuff they did take out to go over - but it seems incomprehensible to leave evidence bags, shredded documents, etc. without additional exploitation.
It's comprehensible to leave evidence bags and evidence if the crime scene isn't yet cleared. It's very clear that one or more law enforcement agencies were not done in there.
People broke in with a pry bar, for crying out loud.
This post was edited on 12/4/15 at 2:34 pm
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:31 pm to fouldeliverer
Kerry Sanders should be arrested. He was the first vulture in. The fact that plywood had to be pried with that orange ' Popsicle ' (it's actually the handle of a screw driver..not actually a Popsicle as rumoured on here). tells you that it was still a sealed scene. Lots of people fricked up on this. From top to bottom, however MSNBC needs to be held accountbale....though they absolutely won't be. The majority of media in this country is an enemy to this very country.
It's amazing outlets like Sky News and Al-Jaz US have no qualms still being journalists and presenting facts, while the American 'media' are nothing but petulant pussies trying to stay relevant in a dying industry. frick them all and may they ALL burn in hell.
It's amazing outlets like Sky News and Al-Jaz US have no qualms still being journalists and presenting facts, while the American 'media' are nothing but petulant pussies trying to stay relevant in a dying industry. frick them all and may they ALL burn in hell.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:31 pm to YumYum Sauce
I just finished watching the footage: saw hundreds of photos, checks, bank account numbers, shredded papers, notebooks, evidence bags, drivers license. lol this was FAR from being a complete investigation!
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:32 pm to dewster
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It's comprehensible to leave evidence bags and evidence if the crime scene isn't yet cleared
But incomprehensible as to why they were left unattended. Less than 48 hours into an investigation of this size with terrorist implications and nobody is on scene processing anything...
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:32 pm to dewster
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So it wasn't cleared. That's so incredibly obvious. The door was nailed shut with plywood, there's evidence (and evidence bags) all over the place, and bomb making supplies all over the place.
Bingo.
The media need to be calling out the FBI over this. They should be shouting it from the rooftops.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:33 pm to dewster
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It's comprehensible to leave evidence bags and evidence if the crime scene isn't yet cleared.
Right - sloppy, but not unexpected. It would not be pristine when they turned it back over, but it would be cleared of things like that.
Unless it was still in progress as the FBI said this morning.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:33 pm to NYNolaguy1
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The media need to be calling out the FBI over this. They should be shouting it from the rooftops.
The same media that busted into the apartment and rummaged through evidence? Yeah I doubt that will happen.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:34 pm to Drank
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Kerry Sanders should be arrested. He was the first vulture in. The fact that plywood had to be pried with that orange ' Popsicle ' (it's actually the handle of a screw driver..not actually a Popsicle as rumoured on here). tells you that it was still a sealed scene. Lots of people fricked up on this. From top to bottom, however MSNBC needs to be held accountbale....though they absolutely won't be. The majority of media in this country is an enemy to this very country.
It's amazing outlets like Sky News and Al-Jaz US have no qualms still being journalists and presenting facts, while the American 'media' are nothing but petulant pussies trying to stay relevant in a dying industry. frick them all and may they ALL burn in hell.
Dude, the FBI released the scene. They supposedly got everything they needed already.
This is on them, not the media.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:35 pm to terd ferguson
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But incomprehensible as to why they were left unattended. Less than 48 hours into an investigation of this size with terrorist implications and nobody is on scene processing anything...
That's where the incompetence was. Not the lack of investigation or incomplete investigation. It's very clear that law enforcement wasn't done with that apartment.
There's hundreds of media vultures waiting outside just waiting for cops to leave for a few minutes.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:35 pm to Ace Midnight
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swabbed at obvious locations, doorknobs and such
Lucky bastards with their own crime lab. Ours kicks back swabs from door knobs because its too 'communal"
As far as the iphone goes, idk. Maybe it was missed? Maybe it was one of the officers and he accidentally left it behind? Maybe a reporter dropped their phone and another picked it up thinking they had something. Point being, we just don't know
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:35 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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If I was willing to make a mess in my office I would fingerprint my keyboard right now and show you how little usable prints I would get.
Would that leave fingerprint dust residue? Is that the mess.
Just curious - I saw a dog, a kid, a popsicle but no sign of fingerprint dust.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:37 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
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As far as the iphone goes, idk. Maybe it was missed? Maybe it was one of the officers and he accidentally left it behind? Maybe a reporter dropped their phone and another picked it up thinking they had something. Point being, we just don't know
And the shredded documents?
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:38 pm to terd ferguson
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The same media that busted into the apartment and rummaged through evidence? Yeah I doubt that will happen.
I am becoming more and more convinced that the media aren't the bad guys here.
Not really the good guys either, but they weren't the ones who left a crime scene full of evidence to be contaminated.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:38 pm to Ace Midnight
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Unless it was still in progress as the FBI said this morning.
The investigation was definitely still in progress when some jackasses unsealed the door and let themselves in.
Posted on 12/4/15 at 2:38 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
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And the shredded documents?
And the passports, and the evidence bags, and the photos... all of that shite would have been collected.
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