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re: Fat Shaming: As a Society We Need to Do it More
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:06 am to The Goat
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:06 am to The Goat
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Before Obamacare, you never even noticed how much money was taken out of your paycheck for health insurance. Not only that, you had a $500 or $1,000 deductible.
First year of Obamacare, you shite your pants when you saw how much money came out for Health Insurance. Not only that, your deductible was $3,000. $6,000 for family.
That's not entirely true. The cost of Insurance was noticeable even before Obamacare. It has simply gotten more noticeable.
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Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:11 am to LoveThatMoney
I can get behind that 37% number. But that 61% "obesity related" has the appearance of a bullshite stat. Either way, Fattie is gonna cost us a little more, but its just not a big enough number to get riled up about. Maybe the equivalent of Super Sizing a double quarter pounder combo at McDonald's. The issue the OP has is strictly with fatasses. Healtchare and insurance were working just fine before Obamacare
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:15 am to The Goat
quote:Back up that claim.
But that 61% "obesity related" has the appearance of a bullshite stat.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:17 am to Cheese Grits
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Not only is my daily diet pretty damn healthy but I log my food daily to keep my caloric intake between 1,800 and 1,200 calories a day. Even with all this it is still tough to lose weight between genetics and thyroid so take your self righteous smug arse and go f*ck yourself unless you have a real way to lose weight and keep it off besides just fat shaming.
Well, you have my sympathy because most people don't suffer from thyroid problems or Cushing's or any other medical condition that can lead to weight gain due to lower metabolic output. My suggestion would be to keep checking back with a doctor and nutritionist like you seem to be doing. Best of luck to you. It must be incredibly frustrating.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:17 am to rintintin
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MO the real problem is we don't promote preventative healthcare (healthy diet, exercise, etc) enough in this country. The majority of the focus is on curing illnesses after they've been diagnosed. It's arse backwards IMO.
:kige:
Prevention is best because it gets at the source earlier when it is cheaper to deal with.
On a side note, Obamacare, or government health cost is mostly bloated not by much of what has Benn discussed in this thread but by DRUGS. The opioid epidemic of the past decade has escalated health care exponentially. Couple this with other drugs like alcohol, tobacco, and illegal drugs like cannibis and you see just how much the taxpayers fuel these industries with their tax dollars.
Also, treating mental health by police cost about 6 times the cost of long term locked care facilities that were in place prior to RR closing them. Just moved those folks to homeless street people who tax the law enforcement folks and fill for profit jails with high cost tennants that should not be there in the first place.
I knew "James Brown" personally (not the performer, but the mentally ill man in the Giuness Book for most arrests at like 800 or so) and once RR shut down the facilities that used to house him it became a police problem and 24 to 72 hour holds. Not only was this massively cost inefficient but was not efficient use of law enforcement labor / cost.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:21 am to The Goat
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But that 61% "obesity related" has the appearance of a bullshite stat
Look, I'm happy to be wrong. And I won't discount the problem inherent in Obamacare. Largely, the advent of Obamacare placed more and more unhealthy, poor people that need to be subsidized by the rest of the country into the risk pool. So of course premiums rose. It also doesn't help that so many people go to the ER rather than visiting a regular physician for shite like colds. That's a pretty big contributor and goes back to the US's staggering lack of desire for preventative medicine.
But prove the stat is bullshite and I will believe you. Like I said, I'm happy to be wrong about the obesity epidemic in the same way I'm happy to be wrong about global warming. As far as I can tell, both are happening.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:22 am to Cheese Grits
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drugs
you jogged my memory. I've been told this by several doctors, that pharmaceutical companies are the main reason
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:23 am to The Goat
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pharmaceutical companies are the main reason
The cost of pharmaceuticals is outrageous.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:25 am to LoveThatMoney
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prove the stat is bullshite
It's written in a vague way that could be open to interpretation. I sure as hell can't prove it's bullshite no more than you can prove it's not bullshite. People manipulate stats all the time. I sure as Hell wouldn't hang my hat on a stat that was worded the way that particular one was.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:27 am to LoveThatMoney
you're 100% full of crap.
Insurance for the wife was under $300 a month with a 1k deductible. Once Obama care came that first year, insurance jumped up to $800 a month with a $6200 deductible.
Fat shaming, ICGAF. I don't shame anyone.
Insurance for the wife was under $300 a month with a 1k deductible. Once Obama care came that first year, insurance jumped up to $800 a month with a $6200 deductible.
Fat shaming, ICGAF. I don't shame anyone.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:28 am to OleWarSkuleAlum
Fat shaming should only be allowed if we can make fun of little Cubans that run for political office named Marco Rubio- and his supporters.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:31 am to fishfighter
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you're 100% full of crap.
Insurance for the wife was under $300 a month with a 1k deductible. Once Obama care came that first year, insurance jumped up to $800 a month with a $6200 deductible.
Not sure you meant to respond to me, because I agree that Obamacare has raised premiums. I can't recall what mine were and what they are now, but I'm pretty sure they have basically doubled. But insurance premiums were already high before Obamacare. Obamacare exacerbated the issue.
Truthfully, if we went to an actual single payer system, we'd save a lot more money.
But anyway, I tend to agree with everything you said.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:31 am to oleheat
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Here's a better plan that will serve you well in life: Leave people the frick alone.
I understand that obesity is a problem in the United States but, you can't make people choose to live a certain lifestyle...no amount of shaming/bullying is going to change them so, why do it?
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:34 am to LoveThatMoney
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insurance premiums were already high
I do not recall this being the case. Maybe in certain risk areas.
But none of this matters. I am now Pro-Fat Shaming.
Lose some weight, You lazy fat fricks!!
I'm out
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:34 am to LoveThatMoney
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Best of luck to you.
Thanks
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It must be incredibly frustrating.
It is, but my advice to others is get as much off as you can before 45 to 50 because even without thyroid issues your metabolism drops and it gets very hard to drop weight no matter what you do.
Also, while it has taken me about a decade to drop from 360 to 280 by doing the food log daily it has allowed me to keep the weight off. Generally eating less and more exercise is the best advice but it is not always an absolute. If you have no energy and sleep all the time it may not be depression but an actual medical issue affecting your metabolism.
Work to find the team that is not out to sell pills or a quick (non sustainable) fix to tailor to an individual persons needs and not some cookie cutter advice that may or may not work for you.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:35 am to The Goat
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written in a vague way that could be open to interpretation. I sure as hell can't prove it's bullshite no more than you can prove it's not bullshite. People manipulate stats all the time. I sure as Hell wouldn't hang my hat on a stat that was worded the way that particular one was.
I'm not hanging my hat on it, simply saying the article lists a stat that it links to a source for. It's at least something to indicate there's a problem. Your tactic is to simply deny it without providing any rationale for such denial other than "it seems like bullshite." And fair enough. If it stinks like bullshite to you, maybe explore why you think that and tell me why. Again, happy to be wrong.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:36 am to Cheese Grits
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Cheese Grits
An 80 pound weight loss is nothing to sneeze at.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:37 am to Scruffy
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Back up that claim
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Katerina B. Tang is a middle school student in Ann Arbor, MI. This paper was written as part of her 8th grade Capstone Project.
Quick question, do we have any standard for sources on the OT? We're debating a statistic quoted in some 8th graders term paper.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:40 am to LoveThatMoney
Obamacare cost us a increase of $500 a month along with loosing a better insurance plan and a increase of $5200 a year deductible.
I'm on medicare plus I carry plan "F". We are both retired and on a set income. Bad thing, we do not get any monies to help out the wife's insurance from day one of Obamacare due to our income.
I'm on medicare plus I carry plan "F". We are both retired and on a set income. Bad thing, we do not get any monies to help out the wife's insurance from day one of Obamacare due to our income.
Posted on 8/23/18 at 11:42 am to BRIllini07
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Quick question, do we have any standard for sources on the OT? We're debating a statistic quoted in some 8th graders term paper.
That's a good fricking point. Holy shite. Well, I feel sheepish.
Guess I should have fully read the article blind linked by Mingo.
This post was edited on 8/23/18 at 11:43 am
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