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re: Ever wonder what a samurai vs. knight battle would look like?

Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:50 am to
Posted by 777Tiger
Member since Mar 2011
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:50 am to
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Now thinking Samurai couldn’t go 1 minute with a Comanche warrior. Samurai soft AF.


absolutely no chance with a bobcat, samurai are pussy
Posted by ClemsonKitten
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:56 am to
The Hollywood katana samurai were basically militarized police not soldiers while knights were basically human tanks. No shvt the knight wins. The edo period of Japan saw no major wars for 250+ years.
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Posted by ClemsonKitten
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 9:00 am to
Now earlier samurai’s would’ve whooped a knights arse based off what the mongols did to them in Eastern & Central Europe.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 9:00 am
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 10:09 am to
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Now earlier samurai’s would’ve whooped a knights arse based off what the mongols did to them in Eastern & Central Europe.


You're trying to equate Samurai as units, versus elite cavalry archers as a force. An army.

1 vs 1 a mounted heavy knight is probably going to beat a light cav archer.

But that's when numbers and tactics come into play. The Mongols (and many other horse armies) simply out maneuvered and out-savaged the primarily infantry based armies of Europe in that period.
Posted by ClemsonKitten
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:45 am to
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You're trying to equate Samurai as units, versus elite cavalry archers as a force. An army. 1 vs 1 a mounted heavy knight is probably going to beat a light cav archer. But that's when numbers and tactics come into play. The Mongols (and many other horse armies) simply out maneuvered and out-savaged the primarily infantry based armies of Europe in that period.


How in the world is a heavy knight going to beat a horse archer 1 v 1? Horse Archers were the most op soldier in history until artillery stepped up its game. The reason Russia and China didn’t adopt firearms as effectively as Western Europe is because they had to deal with them on their frontiers. Hell, even the US military had issues with them.
This post was edited on 11/14/25 at 11:49 am
Posted by SirWinston
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 11:48 am to
The knight would have knelt and prayed for the soul of the heathen lad IRL

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Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 1:20 pm to
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How in the world is a heavy knight going to beat a horse archer 1 v 1?


A single mounted, plate armored and heavily armed knight is going to overwhelm a single cavalry archer. Aside from a lucky hit, the cavalry archer's bow isn't going to penetrate the armor. This was seen in the Battle of Dorylaeum. It's en masse and relying on superior movement and tactics that the mounted archer reigns supreme.

Force a 1 v 1 scrap and the knight crushes as soon as it closes the gap.
Posted by ClemsonKitten
Member since Aug 2025
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 2:23 pm to
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A single mounted, plate armored and heavily armed knight is going to overwhelm a single cavalry archer. Aside from a lucky hit, the cavalry archer's bow isn't going to penetrate the armor. This was seen in the Battle of Dorylaeum. It's en masse and relying on superior movement and tactics that the mounted archer reigns supreme. Force a 1 v 1 scrap and the knight crushes as soon as it closes the gap.


You are implying that a heavy knight has the speed and mobility to catch a horse archer. In regards, the mofo can just shoot down the horse.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 8:46 pm to
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You are implying that a heavy knight has the speed and mobility to catch a horse archer. In regards, the mofo can just shoot down the horse.






Vs this




Now, I'm not going to argue that the mounted archer can strike, break and flee into the steppe ad nauseam. But his attacks, aside from a lucky strike at a weak point, aren't going to do much, and he's still retreating.

A destrier is still fast, still agile, and bred for endurance. Put them in a canyon, or somewhere the mounted archer can't run away forever, and the knight is going to make quick work once they make contact.

Again, completely different tactics involved in the real world uses of such troop types, but 1 v 1 the knight is an absolute tank pre-gunpowder
Posted by Billieboy
Member since Nov 2017
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Posted on 11/14/25 at 10:36 pm to
You love the word fanboy. Makes me think you are 800lbs shite talker on the internet
Posted by ClemsonKitten
Member since Aug 2025
398 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 3:06 am to
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A destrier is still fast, still agile, and bred for endurance. Put them in a canyon, or somewhere the mounted archer can't run away forever, and the knight is going to make quick work once they make contact.


There’s way more scenarios for the horse archer to win while the knight has to be armored in the best armor with a field advantage to have a chance. The horse archer simply just beats a knight. Theres a reason armies of horse archers dominated the globe while armored knights only dominated a section of Europe that coincidentally didn’t have horse archers lol.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 7:57 am to
You're missing the point.

Armies of horse archers beat armies of knights.

A horse archer isn't going beat a mounted knight in much other than running away.
Plate armor is stupid strong
Posted by ClemsonKitten
Member since Aug 2025
398 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 9:02 am to
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You're missing the point. Armies of horse archers beat armies of knights. A horse archer isn't going beat a mounted knight in much other than running away. Plate armor is stupid strong


1). For the knight to win, it has to actually be faster than the horse archer which I don’t see happening .

2). The horse archer can kill the horse from under the knight.

3). The archer can hit the joints, gaps, and other weak points in the armor.

4). Again, a horse archer isn’t letting the knight catch up to him unless he is suicidal.
Posted by lake chuck fan
Vinton
Member since Aug 2011
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 9:37 am to
Just a guess here.... but the samurai guy probably isnt a real samurai and the knight guy probably isn't a real knight.

So....
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:51 am to
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A top tier marine would toss around dudes from that far back without any issue.

This is an absolutely ridiculous claim. Knights spent their entire lives from youth training and fighting. Grappling and melee weapons. Humans have not evolved at all since then and the only difference is nutrition, and knights were not starving serfs. A modern Marine would be startled and overwhelmed by a knight’s skill and violence, and the knight will have far far better cardio.
Posted by biglego
San Francisco
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 10:52 am to
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Just a guess here.... but the samurai guy probably isnt a real samurai and the knight guy probably isn't a real knight.


The main difference is in armor and weapons and the knight should win that melee fight. Different if the samurai pulls out a bow.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Birmingham, Alabama
Member since Oct 2007
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:15 pm to


Dana should have taken an interest in this rather than stupid slap boxing.
Posted by ClemsonKitten
Member since Aug 2025
398 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:38 pm to
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The main difference is in armor and weapons and the knight should win that melee fight. Different if the samurai pulls out a bow.


The actual samurai that fought wars was beyond well equipped to defeat a knight. The katana wielding samurai we see in Hollywood was more suited for policing and bureaucratic roles.
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 11/15/25 at 12:51 pm to
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The actual samurai that fought wars was beyond well equipped to defeat a knight.



Are you some sort of weeaboo?

First you are dead set in clinging to your notion that a single horse archer is some uber-unit vs armored mounted (with armored mounts) unit.

A horse archer is much like a single pikeman.

Alone, it's not especially powerful. Significant weaknesses.

Now, as part of a cohesive, massed unit? Incredibly powerful. But quantity is its greatest quality, and tactics. Not the unit itself.


And now you have elevated Samurai to god-tier again. Probably think a katana is the best sword ever and cuts through metal like butter.

It's simply not true.




You vastly overestimate the power of the bow and underestimate armor
This post was edited on 11/15/25 at 5:01 pm
Posted by hansenthered1
Dixie
Member since Nov 2023
2097 posts
Posted on 11/15/25 at 4:58 pm to
Most of the Samurai planned for a type of warfare that was more likely to do ambush type attacks. The Knights were more tactical in that they planned for mass combat.

Most of feudal Japan was a war between conscript vs conscripts. Samurai were really not part of this. If they fought they fought as mounted cav and used bow over swords.
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