re: Dr Wants to Prescribe Statins..I Disagree

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Cholesterol is one of the often overblown aspects of the checkup process as having too low of cholesterol can be a bad thing

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This either simply isn't true, or isn't simply true, depending on how you would like to look at it.


There is absolutely zero evidence pointing toward there being such thing as "too low" of an LDL or non-HDL cholesterol. There is a group with a certain Gene that routinely have LDL 20 or less. They most certainly do not have an increase in cardiovascular risk or any other known long term side effects.

The improve it trial more or less shows that, regarding LDL, lower is better, though the "lower" group was on average around 53mg/dL. This group had fewer adverse cardiovascular events than the group with a higher LDL (around 70). This applies to patients after a heart attack. It is not directly applicable to your Joe Blow with no risk factors. What we do know fairly certainly is that there isn't an LDL so low that it's known to cause problems.


High HDL on the other hand ("good" cholesterol) is associated with fewer cardiac events. If this number is low, it is a risk for heart attack and stroke.


While Debakey is undoubtedly a brilliant man that pioneered medicine like few in the thousands of years before him, his opinion on how to manage patients is unfortunately lacking a significant amount of new data and new outcomes that he never was able to see and learn.

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U worry about dementia but not stroke, coronary disease or pvd. The risk of one far outweighs thw other.

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How about the fact that statin use decreases CVI risk only in men who have previously had CVIs and has been shown to decrease overall mortality across the board.

So yes, if you take a statin you are less likely to have a heart attack or stroke if you've already had one. Otherwise, taking a statin gives you a higher risk of death from all causes.

And that's if you believe statins work by decreasing cholesterol. There are competing theories out there that posit statins work by decreasing inflammation and the decrease in cholesterol is only an accessory outcome. Plenty of scientists don't believe cholesterol is the ultimate cause of heart disease.

Can you link me the scientific studies supporting your claims? I’m not trying to troll. I want to learn about this but I’m not going to blindly trust YouTube videos. I need scientific evidence.

I assumed if it was a thing, it wasn't on all scripts, just the $200/mth stuff like Vyvanse and shite.

Guess the lunches will have to do instead.

New ldl guideline is <100.

Pharmacy school + residency

Took the test and I have 0.5% Current 10 yr ASCVD risk.

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Can you link me the scientific studies supporting your claims? I’m not trying to troll. I want to learn about this but I’m not going to blindly trust YouTube videos. I need scientific evidence.

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Do your own research and convince yourself. I don't blindly trust youtube videos either. I know bs when I hear it. There are many videos on small dense LDL. Google it and papers will come up. Have fun reading that mess. Here's one: Small Dense Low-Density Lipoprotein as Biomarker for Atherosclerotic Diseases

A/Prof. Ken Sikaris - 'Making Sense of LDL' He provides sources in his videos.

As far as statins, here's one video.
Dr. Mercola Interviews Dr. Stephanie Seneff on Statins

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Take some red rice yeast then.

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I take that and plant sterols and my cholesterol has come way down.