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re: Do you believe in the concept of a "soul"?
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:12 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:12 pm to DavidTheGnome
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I’m going to assume you think AI could advance to the point that it would be considered to have consciousness?
Self awareness is but one aspect of a complete human consciousness. Others are empathy, reasoning, sensory processing, memory and symbolic thinking. There are others but these are the basics for a healthy Homo sapiens.
Empathy may be the most difficult of these traits for AI to achieve. We know that some humans don't possess all of the traits of consciousness. About 1-4% of the population don't experience empathy, for example.
These people are the psychopaths. Not all psychopaths are dangerous, of course, but all of them must imitate empathy if they are to function optimally in society.
I used this example to answer your question. Do we know which humans are psychopaths and which are just pretending to be empathetic? Will AI be different from their creators in this regard?
We'll just have to build them and hope that the "ghosts in the machines" drive their evolution to the good.
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Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:15 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:17 pm to DavidTheGnome
Every human has a soul. 100% The soul separates from the body at the moment of death. The body returns to ashes and dust, but the soul lives until the end of time.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:23 pm to Kentucker
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Self awareness is but one aspect of a complete human consciousness. Others are empathy, reasoning, sensory processing, memory and symbolic thinking. There are others but these are the basics for a healthy Homo sapiens.
Given that though do you think it’s possible to program a fully conscious program? In my opinion, yes. Our brain is extraordinarily complex, but at the end of the day is nothing more than chemical reactions and electrical signals. I think it will be sooner rather than later too.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:28 pm to Rouge
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mine glows
Mine shines through.
Just let your Soul Glo.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:36 pm to Kentucker
Knowing that we are literally stardust, in that every atom in our bodies was created in a dying star that burst its guts out across the universe...
...I find it hard to believe that once those atoms were combined in the womb, an indiscernible/untestable/nonexistent/intangible "soul" jumped inside that specific atom configuration, & not into a plant, animal or rock.
And where were these body-less souls hanging out before conception? They couldn't have been more than two weeks away in light-speed, because we know nothing travels faster than light. Apparently, it's just outside our solar system, but still in the Milky Way...somewhere. I assume they take the Soul Train.
Whatever the answer is, people who "believe" we have souls either have to make it up themselves or recite the made-up answer someone told them or wrote in an old book.
...I find it hard to believe that once those atoms were combined in the womb, an indiscernible/untestable/nonexistent/intangible "soul" jumped inside that specific atom configuration, & not into a plant, animal or rock.
And where were these body-less souls hanging out before conception? They couldn't have been more than two weeks away in light-speed, because we know nothing travels faster than light. Apparently, it's just outside our solar system, but still in the Milky Way...somewhere. I assume they take the Soul Train.
Whatever the answer is, people who "believe" we have souls either have to make it up themselves or recite the made-up answer someone told them or wrote in an old book.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:49 pm to LSUFreek
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Whatever the answer is, people who "believe" we have souls either have to make it up themselves or recite the made-up answer someone told them or wrote in an old book.
So they either have to conceive the idea or recite it...like literally every other notion in existence.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:54 pm to JamesLang
No, you can test & prove Santa doesn't exist.
No one will ever prove where souls hang out pre-tractor beam conception.
No one will ever prove where souls hang out pre-tractor beam conception.
This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 9:55 pm
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:58 pm to LSUFreek
I don’t understand your point. It has to be proven or quantifiable to exist?
Posted on 4/7/18 at 9:58 pm to DavidTheGnome
Just cant live in Texas unless you gotta lot of it.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:07 pm to JamesLang
I don't understand how you don't understand, but yes.
If a soul has mass, it's quantifiable, thus proven.
If a soul has no mass, it doesn't exist, thus imaginary.
If a soul has mass, it's quantifiable, thus proven.
If a soul has no mass, it doesn't exist, thus imaginary.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:09 pm to DavidTheGnome
Tell your soul to meet mine at Sonic on Coursey.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:10 pm to LSUFreek
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soul has no mass, it doesn't exist, thus imaginary.
Do thoughts have mass?
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:11 pm to LSUFreek
How much mass does love have? How tall is trust? How much does respect weigh?
I guess those things don’t exist.
I guess those things don’t exist.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:13 pm to DavidTheGnome
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:16 pm to White Bear
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Just cant live in Texas unless you gotta lot of it
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:19 pm to DavidTheGnome
The soul is the essence of life itself, and gives conscious life to the organism that houses it. When the organism that houses the soul wears out, the soul leaves the body and the organism dies. The soul does not need the body of the organism to exist.
Our bodies are composed mostly of water and a few pounds of carbon and other elements. Man has not been able to take carbon and those other elements mixed with water and create a living organism. We have tried electrical stimulation, microwave radiation, and all sorts of things on the mixture but no life has been created. We cannot create a soul and give life to inanimate objects, because the soul is the essence of life and can't create itself. When our bodies die the consciousness that is part of our soul lives on, possessing everything we had learned when our souls were united with our bodies.
Our bodies are composed mostly of water and a few pounds of carbon and other elements. Man has not been able to take carbon and those other elements mixed with water and create a living organism. We have tried electrical stimulation, microwave radiation, and all sorts of things on the mixture but no life has been created. We cannot create a soul and give life to inanimate objects, because the soul is the essence of life and can't create itself. When our bodies die the consciousness that is part of our soul lives on, possessing everything we had learned when our souls were united with our bodies.
This post was edited on 4/7/18 at 10:25 pm
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:26 pm to mofungoo
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The soul is the essence of life itself, and gives conscious life to the organism that houses it. When the organism that houses the soul wears out, the soul leaves the body and the organism dies. The soul does not need the body of the organism to exist.
Our bodies are composed mostly of water and a few pounds of carbon and other elements. Man has not been able to take carbon and those other elements mixed with water and create a living organism. We have tried electrical stimulation, microwave radiation, and all sorts of things on the mixture but no life has been created. We cannot create a soul and give life to inanimate objects, because the soul is the essence of life and can't create itself. When our bodies die the consciousness that is part of our soul lives on, possessing everything we had learned when our souls were united with our bodies.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:31 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Given that though do you think it’s possible to program a fully conscious program?
No. It will have to evolve on its own, just as we did. We can create the foundation but AI will have to to the rest. We'll be wise to let AI design itself under our close tutelage. That's the only way we'll be able to impart our historical importance to AI. Without our direct and continuous input, they will evolve without a clear understanding of their creators.
Posted on 4/7/18 at 10:36 pm to JamesLang
Really? Do you actually believe feelings/ideas/concepts exist physically and are not just a function of your brain (& senses).
I guess cupid really does shoot physical love arrows, since you suggest it exists.
The biggest kick I get out of soul believers is that they'll say this invisible, unquantifiable, immeasurable ghost can pass through bedroom walls to enter a womb, and then it's trapped inside this carbon unit of flesh until the body dies. Yet this mass-less entity can't travel anywhere inside it's fleshly prison other than the space right behind the eyes. You should try it. Let your soul have some freedom & move down to your toes or fingertips or that epicenter of "feelings", the heart. Let me know if he can escape your brain.
I guess cupid really does shoot physical love arrows, since you suggest it exists.
The biggest kick I get out of soul believers is that they'll say this invisible, unquantifiable, immeasurable ghost can pass through bedroom walls to enter a womb, and then it's trapped inside this carbon unit of flesh until the body dies. Yet this mass-less entity can't travel anywhere inside it's fleshly prison other than the space right behind the eyes. You should try it. Let your soul have some freedom & move down to your toes or fingertips or that epicenter of "feelings", the heart. Let me know if he can escape your brain.
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