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re: Do we have any 9/11 Truthers on here

Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:26 am to
Posted by Ed Osteen
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:26 am to
Your endurance for abuse is incredible. It's almost like you really don't see what's going on these threads
Posted by Placebeaux
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 3:40 am to
Brave historical figures didn't make the history books for bravely toting the status quo. Never have I heard he was so brave for not questioning what was spoon fed to him.
Posted by TigersHuskers
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:01 am to
I think he enjoys the abuse
Posted by raw dog
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:46 am to
Did we ever figure out how the United States as a country profits off of war? Other countries pay us trillions?
Posted by tidalmouse
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:51 am to
About as far down that Rabbit Hole I go is believing that there was a "Stand Down" order given.
Posted by Bunk Moreland
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:53 am to
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:55 am to
If they killed the passengers after swapping for the drone, why even do the swap? Why not just fly the original plane into the building with those passengers onboard?
Posted by The Mick
Member since Oct 2010
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:56 am to
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Did we ever figure out how the United States as a country profits off of war?
He explained the comment - the politicians and contractors make the money. The country itself loses billions.
Posted by SabiDojo
Open to any suggestions.
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:57 am to
Defense contracts.
Posted by MontyFranklyn
T-Town
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 7:59 am to
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The whole jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel crowd are morons
That is pretty silly. They don't take into account the force of impact compromising structure integrity either. Can an engineer please explain how a JET hitting a building would impact integrity. I'd imagine that some bolts would have been loosened from impact.
Posted by Vastmind
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:01 am to
All you need to know is......

2 planes, 3 buildings. OT geniuses, do the math.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:11 am to
You don't think 2 of the largest buildings in the world collapsing could possibly weaken a third smaller building on the same block?
Posted by SthGADawg
Member since Nov 2007
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:11 am to
not a truther per se...but I do question the Pentagon plane...always have...since the day it happened...I worked in aviation for many years and I still don't understand how that large of an aircraft hits a building that short at that angle...especially with a bunch of hajis that went to flight school in Florida flying Cessna's and shite...I mean that pilot that landed on the Hudson River has been praised time and time again...and with good reason...but he had been flying planes for years and said himself that was a tough task...and that's on a river....the angles do not make sense...it should have been a more downward approach with more...much more damage...and loss of life.

next...the Pentagon is one of the most secure buildings in the entire govt...with cameras everywhere right?...then how come there was only one camera able to catch the plane and it was only for a split second?...with as many cameras that are on posts all around the Pentagon...we should have seen more...from different angles

There are also no skids in the grass outside indicating a crash slide impact...once again...the angle...that building is not that tall....look at pics of afterward...no tail damage...no wing damage...no aircraft parts...and the depth of the hole was not a significant as you would think....

its just weird to me...that's all


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I'm certain something hit the Pentagon...but it damn sure wasn't a humongous jet liner
This post was edited on 3/10/17 at 9:03 am
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:19 am to
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2 planes, 3 buildings. OT geniuses, do the math.



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In November 2008, NIST released its final report on the causes of the collapse of 7 World Trade Center.

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The lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, which were fueled by office contents and burned for 7 hours, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.


But I'm sure the authors are just government pawns that could change the report to whatever they wanted.

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The investigation, led by Dr S. Shyam Sunder, drew upon in-house technical expertise as well as the knowledge of several outside private institutions, including the Structural Engineering Institute of the American Society of Civil Engineers (SEI/ASCE); the Society of Fire Protection Engineers (SFPE); the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA); the American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC); the Council on Tall Buildings and Urban Habitat (CTBUH); and the Structural Engineers Association of New York (SEAoNY)
Posted by BiggerBear
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Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:23 am to
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No one has ever been able to explain Building 7, for example.


Yes. Yes they have. It collapsed due to uncontrolled fires. Here is a photo of it on fire.





It may not satisfy you, but that speaks more about you than the correctness of the explanation.
Posted by Rebel
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:24 am to
I don't think he really expected anyone to do the math.
Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:36 am to
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But both the CIA and the FBI had plenty of information on the 9/11 hijackers and that something was about to happen. Many estimate that it was the lack of information sharing between the two agencies (that had legal reasons not to as well as a long-storied rivalry between the two) that allowed the attack to happen.

This.

Six Questions for Ali Soufan
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3. The major still-unanswered question from 9/11 may be this: Why did the CIA keep information about Khalid Al-Mihdhar — the 9/11 team member who was identified before the attacks as having a U.S. visa and tracked into the United States — secret from the FBI and other law enforcement agencies? Clearly this information could have been used to stop the 9/11 plot, yet CIA officials lied about it repeatedly, and have never been held to account either for their failure to inform or their lies. Do you have an answer?

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Sadly no. To date we’ve never been told why the information wasn’t passed to the team investigating the USS Cole attack, the State Department, or the Immigration and Naturalization Service, nor why he wasn’t put on a no-fly list, all of which were required under U.S. law.

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On September 12, 2001, in Sanaa, Yemen, I was handed a file by the CIA that contained information our team investigating the USS Cole bombing had explicitly requested — on three occasions in writing from the director of the FBI to the CIA: in November 2000, April 2001, and June 2001 — concerning Al Qaeda operatives and meetings, which the CIA had said it didn’t have. It turned out the agency had had information on the 9/11 planning summit in Malaysia, and on Al Qaeda operatives we were looking for in Yemen (who had actually been in the U.S. and among the hijackers), among other intelligence that they were legally obligated to share, but hadn’t.
Posted by dabigfella
Member since Mar 2016
6687 posts
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:40 am to
im not a truther but i wanna know why that one building that had nothing to do with the attacks fell
Posted by SaturdayTraditions
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Member since Sep 2015
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Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:42 am to
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Full of shite. But look up Stewart Air Force Base. Privately owned air force strip that was bought out by Ronald Lauder not too long before 9/11. The flight paths of the planes who hit the towards both converged over this air strip. I think the planes were landed and swapped for a remote controlled drone.


Did it go down like this?

Posted by bbrownso
Member since Mar 2008
8985 posts
Posted on 3/10/17 at 8:43 am to
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The lack of water to fight the fire was an important factor. The fires burned out of control during the afternoon, causing floor beams near column 79 to expand and push a key girder off its seat, triggering the floors to fail around column 79 on Floors 8 to 14. With a loss of lateral support across nine floors, column 79 buckled – pulling the east penthouse and nearby columns down with it. With the buckling of these critical columns, the collapse then progressed east-to-west across the core, ultimately overloading the perimeter support, which buckled between Floors 7 and 17, causing the remaining portion of the building above to fall downward as a single unit. The fires, which were fueled by office contents and burned for 7 hours, along with the lack of water, were the key reasons for the collapse.
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