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re: Do river pilots really make 700k a year?

Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:40 pm to
Posted by Lynyrd
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:40 pm to


From a story from Fox station in New Orleans last year. This is average for each.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:40 pm to
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The same goes for someone driving a crew boat,


Crewboat captains are about as equal as the guy that picks up your trash on Tuesdays and Fridays.


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There is absolutely nothing remarkable about their job compared to someone running a 10,500 HP towboat pushing a massive tow in high water.


the capt on a 10,500 HP push boat has more qualifications that a retard driving a crew boat

you have no idea what you're talking about
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:41 pm to
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Also defending possums, banging a chick with big tits, and convincing themselves Mustangs are decent cars, but that situation only seems isolated from my few interactions with potential candidates.



Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
58852 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:47 pm to
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Geez, very easy high paying job
you might have the most consistently stupid posts on this site
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:47 pm to
Will say that he has paid some dues. Have to respect him chasing his career.

Still doesn't excuse the Mustang bullshite.
Posted by GreatLakesTiger24
Member since May 2012
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:48 pm to
Isn’t there a pretty big catch to their high pay?

Like huge insurance premiums or some other expense?
Posted by TigersHuskers
Nebraska
Member since Oct 2014
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Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:50 pm to
Union dues I'd imagine too
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:52 pm to
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Will say that he has paid some dues. Have to respect him chasing his career.



no doubt.....it's not easy. I have a lot of respect for him. being surrounded by some of those idiots on those vessels get old quick..I have to make periodic visits to some of those vessels and the stupidity I hear makes me want to kick a cat


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Still doesn't excuse the Mustang bullshite.



dont know anything about that except
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:56 pm to
not sure if these are still the exact requirements but it's what they were for as long as I can remember


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FCP – (10.703)
A.1080 days of service in the deck department of vessels, OF WHICH
1.540 days of service as quartermaster, wheelman, AB, apprentice pilot, or equivalent capacity, standing regular watches at the wheel or in the pilot house, AND
2.360 days of service must be on vessels operating on the class of waters for which pilotage is desired, OR
B.Masters or Mates with licenses over 1600 GRT meet the service requirements.

Along with 20 ROUND TRIPS of the entire route serviced by the individual assoc. 25% of which must be at night.

This entails contacting pilots, and showing up in person to ride along with them and get a paper signed at the end of the trip, if you get lucky you can catch a ship headed completely through the area.

I know right now they roughly require at least a 4 year degree, better if one in maritime studies and best from a maritime institute.
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
9450 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:56 pm to
I’m friends with two of them. The hours are odd but not long. With the restrictions on the river due to flood. it was taking as long as 36 hours to move from GNO to BR. They work an eight hour shift.
Posted by rattlebucket
SELA
Member since Feb 2009
12542 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 5:59 pm to
Back in 2003-2005 when I as looking as income statements I saw a few that were 350kish. Not sure what that translates to 15 yrs later but they make great pay. But with that comes long hours and high stress.
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20514 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:08 pm to
Yea that would be wrong, with knowing the right people and having the right degree you can get in pretty quick.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:13 pm to
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having the right degree you can get in pretty quick.


you still have to log the sea time and have the necessary USCG license.

There's no way around getting a 1600 Ton licence.

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get in pretty quick.


Getting in is not the same...you still have to put in the time
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:15 pm to
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you can get in pretty quick.




You think they just give these out like candy??


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Master 1600 is a licensed mariner in ultimate command of a vessel limited to less than 1600 GRT. The Master is responsible for the safe and efficient operations, cargo operations, navigation, crew management and ensuring that the vessel complies with local and international laws. All persons on board, including officers and crew, other shipboard staff members, passengers, guests and pilots, are under the Master's authority and are his or her ultimate responsibility.



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Master Oceans or Near Coastal of Less than 1600 Gross Registered Tons

Rules of the Road: Inland and International
Deck General
Deck Safety
Deck Safety: Stability Problems
Navigation General: Near Coastal
Navigation General: Oceans
Navigation Problems: Chart Plot
Navigation Problems: Near Coastal
Navigation Problems: Oceans
* Navigation General module will be either Near Coastal or Oceans depending on route requested

* Near Coastal routes do not take Navigation Problems: Oceans

* U.S.C.G approved courses may not be used in lieu of any of these modules where a full examination is required

* Increase in Scope: From Master Less than 500 GRT to Master Less than 1600 GRT on the same route may do so without further examination

* Increase in Scope: From Near Coastal to Oceans the following modules are required

Navigation General: Oceans
Navigation Problems: Oceans
* IAW 46 CFR 11.412(b), Applicants who have met the examination requirements for Chief Mate of Unlimited Tonnage can add an endorsement as Master Less than 1600 GRT on the same route without further examination

* IAW 46 CFR 11.412(b), Applicants who meet the requirements for Second Mate of Unlimited Tonnage can add an endorsement as Master Less than 1600 GRT on the same route by taking the following modules

Navigation and Deck General/Safety
Deck Safety: Stability Problems
Master Great Lakes and Inland of Less than 1600 Gross Registered Tons

Rules of the Road: Inland and International
Rules of the Road: Inland
Deck General
Deck Safety
Navigation General: Great Lakes and Inland
Navigation Problems: Chart Plot
Great Lakes Topics
* Inland routes do not take Great Lakes Topics

* For Great Lakes and Inland routes Rules of the Road module will be Inland and International

* For Inland routes Rules of the Road module will be Inland and International unless the applicant requests the Inland module. Inland Rules of the Road modules will result in a geographic COLREGS limitation on the applicants MMC

* Increase in Scope: From Master Less than 500 GRT to Master Less than 1600 GRT may do so without further examination

* Increase in Scope: From Inland to Great Lakes and Inland the following modules are required

Great Lakes Topics
* If the applicant has a COLREGS limitation on their current credential, the following module is also required.

Rules of the Road: Inland and International
This post was edited on 7/20/19 at 6:16 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
77748 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:20 pm to
How well are other marine pilots or captain paid?
Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20514 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:22 pm to
Texas A&M maritime degree gets you a lot of those hours and licenses before you even graduate. And if your wife family is already in it they can move you over within a year or two of graduating.

Within 10 yrs you can get two buddies with the same degree and drillship captain experience moved in as well.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:23 pm to
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How well are other marine pilots or captain paid?



Standard pay $500-$700/day just depends on your license and the size of the vessel you work on.

Some masters will make almost double that, again depends on the license and size vessel you work on
Posted by Sweltering Chill
Member since Aug 2017
2150 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:24 pm to
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From a story from Fox station in New Orleans last year. This is average for each.



Yep, there have been a lot of investigations and scrutiny over the years; I remember the Times Pic did a big multi-part investigative piece on the river pilot racket, probably in the early 2000s.. i’m A little surprised theyve kept the racket going this long.. my best guess is that they all pool a sizeable chunk of their salaries to pay off the powers-that-be so that they can keep going with their nepotism and grossly inflated salaries.
Posted by tgrbaitn08
Member since Dec 2007
148031 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:26 pm to
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Texas A&M maritime degree gets you a lot of those hours and licenses before you even graduate.


you cant get the license without the sea time...

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Within 10 yrs you can get two buddies with the same degree and drillship captain experience moved in as well.



so why are you arguing with me? Thats pretty much what I said from the beginning.

Posted by GREENHEAD22
Member since Nov 2009
20514 posts
Posted on 7/20/19 at 6:31 pm to
Because the original guy got in within two yrs. Also 3 of your 4 summers are spent on a boat going all over the world, which goes towards your sea time.

A Dr with a fellowship is 12 yrs.
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