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re: Do Black Lives Matter in this instance?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:36 pm to slackster
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:36 pm to slackster
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No of course not, and I'm not trying to defend the incident, just pointing out there were some inconsistencies.
I'm still not really following your point though. Admittedly I’m not overly familiar with the case but did they or didn’t they gang rape a young woman?
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Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:38 pm to slackster
Why do you insist on being a contrarian in every thread on this site?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:41 pm to slackster
So if he only knew she was underage he and his friends wouldn't have gang raped her? Well, he seems caring.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:42 pm to northshorebamaman
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Not trying to be an a-hole but I'm not sure how that excuse is an inconsistency.
Their defense was that she was a willing participant. IIRC, most of the brothers/cousins were like 16-18 when it happened. She went there with a few girlfriends of hers, they left, and the rape occurred.
There was also a video of the incident that was just released:
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New developments were presented in court Tuesday in the case where six people were accused of gang raping a 13-year-old girl back in December 2016.
Charges were dismissed for the teenage defendant in the case, who was the only minor to be among the charged.
New video evidence may change the fate of some of the other defendants in this case too.
"In April of [20]17 we were provided information, this juvenile potentially had a film on his phone of some of the incident, in open court, we asked the defense attorney to give us access to that phone. The police have has that phone in their custody but it's encrypted and it has passwords on it. And it's an iPhone and as you know [Apple] is not being cooperative with law enforcement across the country," said District Attorney Dan May.
New technology called Gray Key allows the police department to get into the locked phone with a judge's warrant.
"We're trying to do that balance where we protect people's rights as well as do our best to our victims, so in this case, it took a little while for technology to catch up," said Colorado Springs Police Chief Pete Carey.
In the last 10 days, police were able to access a cell phone video that seems to contradict some of her claims.
"Justice doesn't always mean making a prosecution, or a good conviction," said Carey.
The video records the girl's voice as she "appears to be laughing and giggling and engaging in consensual sexual acts."
"Potentially withholding this information could be exculpatory - and help out this particular defendant - but may be inculpatory for others," said DA May.
In court, the judge dismissed the teen's case following the new evidence.
"When we were able to get into to some of the messages and the video and things like that, it worked out very well. By worked out very well I mean justice was served; so this is a good thing," said Carey.
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This post was edited on 8/10/18 at 1:43 pm
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:44 pm to The Truth 34
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when do they start college?
Sad thing is they likely can go to college free of charge Pell Grants. Meanwhile, a good kid with good test scores from moderately well off family in a state without Tops type program gets to take loans.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:46 pm to slackster
so, who's phone is it? if it is one of the defendants' phone and it proves it wasn't rape. why wouldn't the owner unlock it?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:46 pm to NIH
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Why do you insist on being a contrarian in every thread on this site?
Because I was following this case loosely when it was brought here a few months ago and the OP is misleading.
I prefer things to be accurate. My bad.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:49 pm to MorbidTheClown
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so, who's phone is it? if it is one of the defendants' phone and it proves it wasn't rape. why wouldn't the owner unlock it?
Presumably one of the defendants. Perhaps they thought it could potentially hurt their case? I'm not sure.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:49 pm to slackster
I see. My response to that is even a mature 13yo is going to look young enough that most people would want to verify her age before having group sex with her. And from the facts in that link it appears they're also guilty of producing child porn. The sum of those two crimes should result in at least some time behind bars (beyond time served), wouldn't you agree?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 1:58 pm to northshorebamaman
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My response to that is even a mature 13yo is going to look young enough that most people would want to verify her age before having group sex with her.
Yeah that would be good advice.
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And from the facts in that link it appears they're also guilty of producing child porn.
Eh, depends who made it and how ridiculous you want to get with the CP laws, but maybe.
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The sum of those two crimes should result in at least some time behind bars (beyond time served), wouldn't you agree?
Carnal knowledge in LA can get you a fine, even if it it's felony carnal knowledge. Worst case is 10 years imprisonment.
Depending on the age of the perps, some jail time was probably in order, but they also took plea deals. If you did that in most states you'd avoid jail time.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:01 pm to idlewatcher
How did the cops treat them when they brutally arrested them?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:02 pm to slackster
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Eh, depends who made it and how ridiculous you want to get with the CP laws, but maybe.
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The video records the girl's voice as she "appears to be laughing and giggling and engaging in consensual sexual acts."
Seems pretty cut and dried to me, at least insomuch as I understand cp laws.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:03 pm to idlewatcher
As a black male, no it doesn't in this case. These guys should be in jail period. Rape a kid and get probation? I don't even understand that.
BLM isn't for every instance an issue comes up dealing with african americans. Its for the cases that appear to be bias regarding the justice system against black people or that black person. Some people use it in every instance just because the person was black which doesn't do the movement justice.
BLM isn't for every instance an issue comes up dealing with african americans. Its for the cases that appear to be bias regarding the justice system against black people or that black person. Some people use it in every instance just because the person was black which doesn't do the movement justice.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:15 pm to northshorebamaman
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Seems pretty cut and dried to me, at least insomuch as I understand cp laws.
I think there should be a little discretion used, but yeah, it's probably a violation.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:21 pm to idlewatcher
It seems to me the implication behind the whole "black lives matter" thing is that black lives should only matter to white people. Because black lives sure don't seem to matter all that much to other black people.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:27 pm to slackster
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slackster
Thanks for the update as I didn't know about the phone; however, there could be a million reasons why she would appear to be laughing - maybe she was petrified AF b/c a bunch of dudes were about to gangrape her? Or she thought they would take it easy on her because she appeared to be going along with it?
Why were the charges for the youngest kid dropped? B/c of his age or what?
Posted on 8/10/18 at 2:29 pm to FieldMink
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As a black male, no it doesn't in this case. These guys should be in jail period. Rape a kid and get probation? I don't even understand that.
Agreed. I wonder if that judge has a history of leniency for this kind of stuff. I'll research it.
Posted on 8/10/18 at 3:15 pm to idlewatcher
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On the bright side, the chances that these guys don't almost immediately violate their probation is zero.
Agreed. What a sick judge though. This poor little girl will be tormented for eternity while these scumbags are out doing whatever.
Very sad and I hope she can somehow come to grips with the slap in the face.
To be sure, the judge is a POS for accepting the POS plea bargain proffered by the POS district attorney's office, whom I would blame the most.
Unless this was a blind plea, in which case WTF...
Posted on 8/10/18 at 3:45 pm to idlewatcher
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Why were the charges for the youngest kid dropped? B/c of his age or what?
Because he was too close in age for a stat rape charge to stick.
I'm not one to ever victim blame, but this case case was sketchy from the start and the first plea deal. Seemed pretty clear the DA was skeptical of their case. The video apparently cleared that up.
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