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re: Derek Chauvin trial - GUILTY ON ALL CHARGES. Update: His sentencing is today
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:17 pm to AMS
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:17 pm to AMS
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from your same article anesthesia uses fentanyl 10-20ng in the setting of multiple substances (polysubstance).
Are they using methamphetamine as well?
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Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:19 pm to IAmNERD
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Again, he brings it up in the clinical setting and ignores it in the actual setting on the street in GFs body ignoring the meth which he doesn't cite.
I bring it up in the context of poly substance. As in it is considered safe to use with multiple other substances at higher levels than floyd had. as in even with other potentiating drugs, it is used safely at nearly twice floyds level.
yes I understand potentiation, and I have considered it. 3 medical examiners have as well. they all disagreed with your belief that potentiation caused GF overdose death. If it did his death would have been determined an overdose, not a homicide. its very simple. .
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:22 pm to CptRusty
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That’s really what you think is being referenced here? Really???
yes. it claimed fentanyl has been associated in deaths with polysubstance involved. it says nothing about any context of the fatality.
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Maybe we should look for a similar claim about caffein, because lord knows thousands of people every year die not long after that first cup of Joe.
thats kinda my point, they probably could make a similar claim. you need to be able to interpret data, not just parrot it without any understanding of context.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:22 pm to AMS
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bring it up in the context of poly substance. As in it is considered safe to use with multiple other substances at higher levels than floyd had. as in even with other potentiating drugs, it is used safely at nearly twice floyds level.
yes I understand potentiation, and I have considered it. 3 medical examiners have as well. they all disagreed with your belief that potentiation caused GF overdose death. If it did his death would have been determined an overdose, not a homicide. its very simple. .
No you have cited instances where established medical protocol has been proven to be safe.
But you've yet to cite anything where fentanyl and methamphetamine have been deemed to be safe outside of a clinical setting.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 10:24 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:27 pm to AMS
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thats kinda my point, they probably could make a similar claim. you need to be able to interpret data, not just parrot it without any understanding of context.
So they included that sentence regarding that specific concentration for literally no reason. Couldn’t possibly be that this is the concentration at which there starts to become statistically significant correlation between the presence of fentanyl, when combined with other drugs, and fatality?
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:28 pm to IAmNERD
This thread is gonna be a bloodbath when they actually start calling medical witnesses
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:28 pm to GEAUXmedic
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GEAUXmedic
He got you, medic. He dragged you down. Just yesterday you were trying to pull this train back onto the rails. That's a lost cause. Plus, there's no way this guy is a doctor west of Lafayette.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:28 pm to IAmNERD
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Are they using methamphetamine as well?
what about muh potentiation?!? Its used routinely at higher doses with other meds that also potentiate. muh potentiation!
It must be tough to reconcile the fact none of the medical experts involved believed muh potentiation was significant enough outweighed the prolonged asphyxiation homicide event.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:33 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Plus, there's no way this guy is a doctor west of Lafayette.
wtf, leave Lafayette out of this
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:35 pm to AMS
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what about muh potentiation?!? Its used routinely at higher doses with other meds that also potentiate. muh potentiation!
Are you fricking retarded?
Plenty of studies on the potentiating effects of stimulants and opioids.
Here's the very first result on google:
LINK
quote:literally what I just said regarding not being used in a clinical setting.
Despite the positive results reported in the literature, this combination is rarely used in clinical practice.
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Experiments with animal and human subjects provide convincing evidence that d-amphetamine or methylphenidate potentiate the analgesic effects of morphine. Psychostimulant drugs have been shown in animal studies to possess intrinsic analgesic properties and to have the ability to enhance the analgesic properties of opioids when both types of drugs are given in combination. Studies with human subjects have confirmed the enhancement of opioid analgesia by amphetamines and, in addition, have demonstrated that psychostimulant drugs produce a decrease in somnolence and an increase in general cognitive abilities.
Get fricked. You're a confirmed fricking troll
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:36 pm to CptRusty
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wtf, leave Lafayette out of this
I would, but I can't.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:39 pm to CptRusty
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So they included that sentence regarding that specific concentration for literally no reason. Couldn’t possibly be that this is the concentration at which there starts to become statistically significant correlation between the presence of fentanyl, when combined with other drugs, and fatality?
no there is a reason. you just interpreted it to fit context that confirms your narrative. its just broadly gathered information that appears to refer to all cause fatalities as long as fentanyl and other substances were involved.
If they were specifically referring to 100% OD deaths it would have been specified. Instead they are referring to any fatality where they took blood samples positive for fentanyl+1 other drug.
so yes, they included dui fatalities, suicides, intra-operative fatalities, murders, you name it.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:40 pm to dragonNRG45
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This thread is gonna be a bloodbath when they actually start calling medical witnesses
I cannot wait.
I’ll eat crow if it’s called for
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:44 pm to IAmNERD
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Plenty of studies on the potentiating effects of stimulants and opioids.
duh I never said it doesnt. my point has been sailing waay over your head. its sad because its a simple point. fentanyl is safely used at higher levels even with multiple other drugs that interact.
im saying your potentiation argument is dumb in this case, not that potentiation doesn't exist. it has been considered, and is less important than the asphyxiation homicide event. please provide some expertise or information that proves 3 medical examiners incorrect.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:44 pm to LegendInMyMind
I know, I tried not to argue, but I couldn’t pull myself out.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:44 pm to CptRusty
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wtf, leave Lafayette out of this
It’s a joke. Don’t worry.
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:47 pm to IAmNERD
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Get fricked. You're a confirmed fricking troll
Posted on 3/31/21 at 10:54 pm to IAmNERD
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Yet to cite a single instance where fentanyl and methamphetamine are safe.
I was never asked to, but I bet it would be even harder to find 1 citation that says being asphyxiated to death is safer than moderate polysubstance abuse.
its so weird you keep insisting that a death determined by 3 medical examiners as homicide was really an overdose due to some unquantifiable muh potentiation argument
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 10:55 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:03 pm to dragonNRG45
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This thread is gonna be a bloodbath when they actually start calling medical witnesses
This. If the medical testimony is that DC caused GFs death then one huge element is met. Thereafter, it is only a question of Manslaughter or Third degree (I don’t see Second). 10 vs. 25 years. All this build up is necessary but not the key.
This post was edited on 3/31/21 at 11:06 pm
Posted on 3/31/21 at 11:04 pm to AMS
Sis, get some rest. You're melting during the prosecution's case-in-chief. I cannot imagine when Nelson takes the lead.
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